Depends where you are.... the avg low-stakes live player does none of this... the good ones do all sorts of sick moves. In STL there often isn't a casino game spread above 1/3 NL... 3/4 of the low stakes live players don't do that much... 1/4 are good with a decent set of moves.

Because he has a 300BB stack, you can start to conisder him either a better player or a LAGgy player... So play him like you'd play a GOOD player. If you're going to see through to this kind of action, either fold turn, or call that river.

If you didn't have a Kspades, the flop could be a decent place to fold.

Your line is terrible--did you say 'you're welcome for the donation' when you were done?

This is really exploitable.
Flat the raise, lead turn.... A good steal line at any level, and part of the bread and butter moveset of a good, live SDC.

We cant lead the turn when he lead the turn first. LOL

You keep raising for information, and telling people to do so, better for my bottom imo.

I figure a lot of the hands that I beat check behind on the river so calling turn and folding river isn't terrible at all. I agree I could have folded turn though.

Im just saying what i think is right I mean the call on the flop isnt bad. Id fold the turn personally. Im just giving you my point of view if you dnt want it is fine.

If you're folding the turn to a bet, you should fold the flop. If he's thinking, he'll make a big part of your range a FD and won't want to give you a free card.

You're thinking of this as raising for information only. It is more of deciding how much you want to invest in this hand unimproved. In my mind, it is better to make the same investment by raising on the flop (which tells me something) than calling the flop and turn (which tells me nothing). If you want to invest less than that, you're better off just folding on the flop.

Right thats what I said first. He thinks my line is wrong Id raise like 130 to 150

But the value of 'deciding how much to invest' by raising the flop isn't anywhere near worth the value you get from calling down his barrels on the flop and possibly turn when you have him beat. Granted you won't be very far ahead of most hands he barrels with, but that seems far preferable to raising the flop and either a.) getting him to insta 3bet with hands that have you beat, b.) 3betting a draw and getting you fold your kings which have pretty good showdown value, or c.) get him to fold complete air/bare pairs no As.

And calling the flop and turn tells you plenty, especially since you're in position so when he donks into you he can't really be doing it with impunity on multiple streets.

I just really hate raise-folding IP in a spot like this. I don't mind bet/folding at all if we had raised from the blinds just because it's so difficult to play this hand on that board OOP profitably when facing heat of that extent, and if he check/raises us on the flop then it's a much more marginal spot. But with a hand that's vulnerable yet with a decent amount of showdown value, call call call seems like the best option if we decide to go with it.

I'm not good enough to fold an overpair with a K high flush redraw almost ever... i mean, given my personal style, i pretty much never fold overpairs (and I certainly prefer my image to be as such)...

All that being said, should that suit be something you didn't have, its the kinda spot that you really never want to have 1 pair in....

Once you've called that Bill on the turn, I really think that pot is way too big to fold the river to the bet given.

Live TAGs are not always terrible--and some have this move as bluffs/super-thin value (e.g. tptk, a 9, worse overpairs, etc.)... In this strange spot, the better the TAG, the easier the river call....

This.
I'm trying to decide if he would bet 1/2 pot on the river here w/QQ or JJ and I think he might. (Tho he shouldn't)

Well anyways guys I disagree completely with the idea of raising for information; it's never a good idea. I folded and villain showed 99 for the flopped top set/rivered boat. Never raise for information...

Also I'm not disappointed with my line; it was pretty good imo.

Completly what i think too, and what i think is the best solution of play.

am I the only one who thinks you raise for VALUE on this flop against QQ/JJ, A/10 of clubs and As10c? I mean if you are going to call off 300 by the river why not just raise right now when it's likely you have the best hand. With that flop don't we want to just win the pot right now or get away from it? All this calling successive barrels business with a monochrome straighted flop seems a little bad.

A lot of this is easy to say in hindsight because of how the turn and river came, but I'm talking the flop.

As played you should have just folded the flop, turn, or river.

I like the A a lil better.