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10-23-2013 , 05:38 PM
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Hero-$425-bought in for $250 and built stack over 2.5 hours with only showing down AQs on a QQ10 5 4 board for a 250ish pot ai otf vs shortie.

V-600-been at the table for 4 hands limping all 4 and winning a $600 pot with 94hh on a Jh10h8c 6d Qh board by check calling flop and turn, leading river.

Utg+1 limps/folds to Hero looks down at AhKs on the button-raise to $14
Sb folds
Bb flats-V
Utg+1 folds

Pot $31
Flop Kd9c5s
V leads for $12 hero flats

Pot $45
Turn 4d
V checks
Hero bets $28
V raises to $60

Hero?
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10-23-2013 , 05:51 PM
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Such a tiny bet entices me to raise the flop but I'm ok with calling as long as you don't get weird about your line later. The problem with just calling is a situation like right now. You're underrepped and he's basically unknown. Ill fold to this aggression early. You're probably not improving and you have no idea what's going on.
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10-23-2013 , 06:14 PM
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I appreciate your insight.

I had thought about raising otf but elected to flat based on:
This guy was a mid 40s, assumed to be rec player.
Most rec players have TP/Gk or Mk when leading out.
I felt by under repping my hand, when he has TP, I was more likely to get value ott and otr vs pushing him off otf or ott.
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10-23-2013 , 11:20 PM
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I'm very happy to flat flop. Not looking to build a huge pot. Want to keep ranges wider. Will have to fold to a 3-bet.

You could just bet/fold the turn. Assume his turn check/raise is reliably very strong - ahead of top pair - unless you learn differently later in your session.

Calling turn can't be too bad. It's a small raise and you're getting like 4.5:1. You would have to fold to a river bet of any size, though.

I just fold turn. But think it's ok if you chose to call turn and assess river.
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10-23-2013 , 11:54 PM
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Something just seems off here...I don't know if I believe V's story.

True he is new to the table and we have few reads. But, he donks weak otf and then ck/raises ott to what looks like a brick and we're supposed to believe he has a monster? V led w/ a made flush prev. otr so the ck/raise is inconsistent here with him having a big hand. if V is playing 4 9 sooted (even limping) he probably is pretty loose, maybe a spaz bettor? normally a ck/raise ott is a strong hand but I think I call here and call any V bet otr that is around a pot-size bet or less unless a hits. if V has 44/K4/94/54 lol at us, remember for next time.
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10-24-2013 , 09:28 PM
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Hero flats pot is $165

River is a 4h
V leads for $100

Is it a leak to flat this based on v being unknown but showing he has a wide range pre? Or is this a snap fold?
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10-24-2013 , 09:33 PM
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Quote:
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Calling turn can't be too bad. It's a small raise and you're getting like 4.5:1. You would have to fold to a river bet of any size, though.
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Hero flats pot is $165

River is a 4h
V leads for $100

Is it a leak to flat this based on v being unknown but showing he has a wide range pre? Or is this a snap fold?
Fold.
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10-24-2013 , 09:42 PM
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Appreciate the help everyone.

This spot seemed very close to a call or fold otr IMO, but glad I asked because most seem to agree with fold in this spot.

I tanked it for a minute or two and folded. V showed 55 for flopped set.
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10-24-2013 , 09:55 PM
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strange villain - I still don't get V's small donk bet otf but it probably saved you some money tbh. hope you got some money back from this guy as the night went on.
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10-24-2013 , 10:06 PM
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702 I was kinda caught off guard when he had shown 55 as well as generally Vs seem to donk bet top pair. Otr I just kinda had a gross feeling and went with it (luckily he showed).

V ended up busting from the game but unfortunately I wasn't able to get anything significant from his stack.
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10-25-2013 , 07:44 AM
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Looks like he has a set or two pair. I'd fold this, because it was played kind of weird. A weirdly played hand is either a bluff or a monster. Most of the time it is a monster though so you should fold.
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