I just sat down at this 1/2 game with $300.

Full of middle aged and old chatty players.

Get dealt KK first hand in BB and I’m like holy smokes.

UTG raises $15, everyone at the table folds, I raise to $60 in BB because OOP, UTG looks at his cards and snap raises to $215.

I obv shove, he snap calls with AA.

Was it a mistake to stack off 150 bigs here?

Seems to me like most 1/2 players might just flat QQ or AK jn this spot at best. But I wasn’t able to get myself to fold especially because it was my first hand and I could’ve looked like some splashy donk getting aggro first hand he sat down.

I'm going wih my read 1st hand or not
see bolded
this is AA 99% of the time

1) $60 is too much
2) I would fold but many would not
3) Jam or fold. Not much else to say. Its a boring hand.

Try to find an actual interesting hand to post next time. I don't understand why people post hands like this one or hands where they flop quads and ask if couldn't gotten more value or other hands like that. There are so many more delicate spots in poker where the real money is won or lost.

Who are you to comment on what is an interesting hand or not? I was actually interested in the comments on this hand personally speaking.

Also, sometimes the hands that are readless, can be the most valuable to our community. The comments/position on optimal play can be more generalizable because we have to more theoretically sound solutions rather than "well since our read is this, and villain is this, then do x,y,z".


Lastly, if you don't find it interesting, move to the next thread.

You're interested in comments on a KK vs AA hand? LOL
Its all in pre or fold. There's nothing to comment on especially when OP posted results in the OP. WTF comments do you think hes going to get?

If you find it interesting, feel free to give us your in depth comments. Im sure everyone would love to hear them.

Yes this.

But AA vs KK is going to happen. Have a plan for this. Sit down and think this out ahead of time(or better yet, sit down and write it down on a piece of paper/the knowledge sticks with you better this way).

Most players think out some rule of when to fold KK preflop, and almost always it's based on # BB's. But this is actually a mistake. It should be based on type of villain, action, reads etc.

When you sit down with unknowns("very first hand") always be cautious. When he snap raises to $215 he's essentially all-in. Ask yourself what hand(s) he has for this. Also ask yourself before you 3bet "what do I do if he shoves?"

Not folding. Calling off with KK pre is almost never a theoretical mistake. I'm not making a massively exploitative fold against a random.

Against {KK+, QQ (3)} you're breakeven on a GII. Population reads aren't weighted that heavily towards KK+, IMO.

It's only 107 bigs, not 150, V is all in for $215. As a general rule of thumb, I don't fold KK for 100 BB preflop. There is enough AK/QQ/JJ to just basically never fold.

bolded my be true BUT we can make exploitative folds based on reads.
its true in this case its an off the cuff read BUT as someone who is a newbie in several rooms these reads can save or make you money if your confident in them.

this wasn't a $2-5 game its $1-2 ; barreling in pre by V desc with less than AA is almost unheard of

He 4b to $215, with $85 still behind.

I got to get better at my reading comprehension skills apparently. My bad.

Same thought process to me, I don't think too much about getting KK in preflop until we get to about 200 BB deep effective. Anything less than that and I am pretty much just willing to go with it.

Only time I'd consider folding is if I have extensive history with the player and they just absolutely, only, always Aces. Absent of that, I'll look for other spots to make Hero folds with

KK versus AA is such a rare event in poker that it probably doesn't matter all that much to our bottom line win rate how we play the hand. That said, I would need a strong read to ever fold KK preflop for less than 150bbs. For example, if you've seen the player limp/call pre with QQ, I would be more inclined to fold here. OTOH if you've been aggressive with 3bets, I would never fold here, since the player could be taking a stand against you. Good luck!


Edit: Did you see Doug Polk's review (posted last week) of the LATB hand where Jacky folded KK to Bill Klein's JJ when Klein made a cold backraise 5bet? It's called "How to Know When Your Pocket Kings are No Good". Pretty funny video. Point of the video being that sometimes older nitty/passive players aren't quite as tight as you may assume based on their looks alone.

Awesome, we learned that some will fold KK preflop and some wont. Great discussion.

I've seen some older, quiet dudes shove JJ pre fwiw. About all I have to add to this convo.

If he thinks you are some agro donk his adjustment is probably going to be to call too much and trap rather than start 4 betting you light. I don’t think folding is absurd but I would have to be there to say what I would do since it’s pretty exploitative.