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10-03-2010 , 12:03 AM
It's 3:30am on a Friday. I just moved from a broken table. Both Villains are unknown to me.

V1 (MP1) $800+ 30 something, work clothes and kinda scruffy looking

V2 (MP2) $1000+ Early 20's, clean cut, university student, obviously confident

Hero (UTG) $700 At table for five hands and have been involved in four of them, already building a rep, have not shown down anything

Hero is UTG w/TcTs
Hero raises to $10, UTG (not good/station ~$200) calls $10, V1 calls $10, V2 raises to $40, Hero calls $30, UTG+1 folds, V1 calls $30

Flop: Ad5cTh
$133 (3 Players) Hero?
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10-03-2010 , 12:33 AM
vomits all over the table if he gets a lot of action by V2.

I don't mind a c/c here.
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10-03-2010 , 02:11 AM
check flop. lead turn.
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10-03-2010 , 02:36 AM
Since we know villain is confident, we probably can assume his range is pretty big, but has the villain been known to raise pots? If so, I'd c bet and go from there if not check call then lead the turn if the board doeant pair.
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10-03-2010 , 01:24 PM
I have a feeling we are either A) not getting paid off or B) losing lots of money here. The 3bet pre seems pretty smallish which leads me to believe AA or KK. I think hands like JJ-QQ either flat or raise a lot more... same thing with AK.

With that said..... ugh. Checking flop and then firing the rest of way looks trappy. Leading blasts people off worse hands (non ace hands). I think someone gotta have an Ace though (hopefully not AA). I lead flop ($70), check turn (hopefully V bets.. c/c is probably best line), and then blast the river: Flop- I either have a made hand or draw, Turn- I has a draw and IMA chase it, River- I gotta bluff its the only wayz I'z can winz.
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10-03-2010 , 02:01 PM
If V2 is good we probably don't get his stack whatever we do. I'd rather let him blast his air. I'd c/c flop and turn and c/r river. Lead turn if he checks flop.
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10-03-2010 , 03:16 PM
I'd lead 1/2 pot, if V1 overcalled pf with AQ/AJ we don't wanna blow him off by c/r flop, if villain 2 has KK/QQ/JJ he's not going to put in to much $$ unless he hits a 2 outer on ott. Were prob losing a lot if villain 2 shows up with AA here. If both villains call flop i'd prob check turn and see what develops, if villain 1 calls and villain 2 folds i'd lead 1/2 pot on turn.
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10-03-2010 , 07:34 PM
I prefer leading out 'to see where our Ace/medium kicker' is at. Obviously we're not worried about any real draws, but I like the idea of building a pot now. If he has AA, so be it. There's zero chance I lay down middle set to unknowns.
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10-03-2010 , 07:37 PM
c/c flop donk turn around 1/3 pot.
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10-04-2010 , 03:59 AM
I'd lead out about $85. You'll get paid only if one of these villains are fish. This is why I don't set mine from oop against unknown/good players.
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10-04-2010 , 07:15 PM
Flop: Ad5cTh
$133 (3 Players) Hero checks, V1 bets $45, V2 (mini-tank) calls $45, Hero?

BTW: I didn't really like my check here (and it's not my normal play.) The presence of the ace could be a blessing or a disaster. I really didn't know anything about either player (other than my initial impressions) but I really didn't think V2 would stack off with a pair (V1 might though.)
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10-04-2010 , 07:33 PM
I say lead the flop about half pot and hope someone raises. After your check I say flat. I know with a set we want to start building a big pot but if you C/R here my set meter starts going off and I will shut down pretty quickly.
C/C Turn
Pot the river
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10-04-2010 , 08:05 PM
My immediate instinct is to go for a ridiculous line like: lead, c/c, c/r; especially if when we lead the flop we get one caller who is likely to vbet an ace when checked to (i.e. V2).

Against typical bad players (i.e. V1) I just lead lead lead BIG.

And you're never going to extract much from V2 unless he has a fairly strong Ace +, so don't worry about that.
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