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1/2,mid set facing shove on turn 200bb. 1/2,mid set facing shove on turn 200bb.

04-26-2014 , 11:49 AM
9-handed table.Hero just moves to this table with nitty image.Villian seems unknown but wins a few pots without showing cards.Hero limps 55 from UTG1,mp limps,villian in sb call
s. Hero has about $400 and villian covers.
Flop(10): 7s 5h 2d villian checks,bb checks, hero bets $10,villian calls,bb calls.
Turn(40): 4c villian bets $25,bb accidentally raises by putting out $40 chips,,so the dealer announces this should be $50 raise,bb reluctantly tosses a few more chips in.hero raises to $125,villian in sb shoves all-in.bb folds,hero ?
I have a question here preflop? What do you guys do with small pairs in your normal loose 1/2 games from early positions? limp, fold or raise? In this situation,we can be ahead of or behind his shoving range.I dont really think this guy shoves two pairs for 200bb.
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04-26-2014 , 12:02 PM
Limp calling 55 100% in aggressive games.. Or Opening small in passive games is acceptable..

As played don't raise turn
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04-26-2014 , 01:07 PM
How do you have an image if you just moved to the table? Played with these Vs before?

Flat ott, lower the boom otr if the board pairs, you're getting sick IO if you are behind a straight but you'll be surprised how often guys show up with 2pair.
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04-26-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
How do you have an image if you just moved to the table? Played with these Vs before?

Flat ott, lower the boom otr if the board pairs, you're getting sick IO if you are behind a straight but you'll be surprised how often guys show up with 2pair.
We fail to build the pot by just flatting on the turn.These droolers can call with any piece of the board.
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04-26-2014 , 03:04 PM
Likely two pair hand here. I'm pretty happy to get it in. He occasionally has 63,68 straight but I feel like your scooping from 2pair/top pair more often than seeing a straight
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04-26-2014 , 03:38 PM
I don't mind the way you played this at all. when V leads the turn, it looks like a pretty blockish, 2 pairish type bet. the inadvertant raise is 50 free dollars to whomever wins the pot. I think we can safely assume that BB has some kind of straight + pair draw, which makes it less likely that V1 has a 6.

So, with both V's in the hand not repping a straight, I would raise this too, not for value, but to protect against straight draws. but when V1 snap shoves, it's always 68.

tough spot, because with an undercard on the turn, players at this level are almost always C/Ring this board when they expect you to fire at the turn.

so, giving V1 credit for 68, it is 260 to call to win 860 and we are going to make our hand about 19% of the time on the river.......so we are basically about -86$ to call this.

meh. I would probably fold. but it is really close. A call would not be terrible.
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04-26-2014 , 03:43 PM
I mean he has a st8 here always so it's a matter of pot odds really. Idk what's the hrs part, am I missing something?
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04-26-2014 , 04:06 PM
No this is not always a straight. Villain could easily have 2pair here and even some pair+draw hands that he's shoving because he thinks your raise might be attacking the forced minraise of the other player. Narrowing villains range to just straights is just wrong. Definitely calling here.
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04-26-2014 , 07:34 PM
A bet, a raise, a 3 bet, then a 4bet shove OTT should be a straight a pretty high % of the time on this board. A3, 36, and 68 just got there.

Villain reads would be essential here. Without reads it's just a math problem

Last edited by jsmo0th10; 04-26-2014 at 07:41 PM.
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04-26-2014 , 09:27 PM
The "raise" was intended as a call. Wouldn't consider villains play a 4bet in this situation.
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04-27-2014 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by maplestar
We fail to build the pot by just flatting on the turn.These droolers can call with any piece of the board.
So if you know raising ott is what to do, why'd you post the hand?

Are you raising for value or as a bluff? If it's as a bluff, raise/fold. If it's for value, raise/call. I don't see the confusion if you know what to do already.
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