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1/2 at the MGM - Right play? 1/2 at the MGM - Right play?

03-29-2011 , 12:22 PM
I hope I explain this right:

MGM, Las Vegas. 1/2 game on a sleepy mid-morning. I had just finished eating their buffet and sat down for a little poker. Bought in for $100.

The table was fairly tight except for a guy to my left who was wearing a blue windbreaker that had a "Wildcats Lacrosse" and the word "Coach" under it, wearing sunglasses. His stack was around 200ish.

The standard PF raise seemed to be $5, and I had been playing semi tight: I had C/folded two hands that failed to hit on the flop and I had 3b a player to my right (Old Man, seemed to be there just to pass the time) and took down a small pot. All this in about 4 orbits or so.

While I was sitting out the Lacrosse coach was doing his best to be a calling station, limping and calling just about any hand PF, but doing alot of pushing around Post Flop. I had folded my BB to him at least once and probably one or two of my limp in's.

I found QcQs UTG and made the standard $5 raise, which he called. The action was fold to the button, who made the call. There as about $18 in the pot at the time.

The flop came down 10h-7c-3h. I acted first and made a $20 bet. He then reraised me for my entire stack, around 70$. The button folded.

What do I do? Refraining from posting results until later.
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03-29-2011 , 12:33 PM
Call

Sounds like the type to do this with hands like Q10, K10, A10 or any flush/straight draw. I think you almost always have the best hand in this spot against this player. I just don't think you can fold here given his history of playing overly aggressive post flop and the fact that you are already playing short-stacked.
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03-29-2011 , 12:34 PM
Buy in for 100BB to start, but I can't find a fold here for the approximately 2-1 you are getting.

He could be doing that with a 10, 88-99, JJ, two broadway cards, a straight draw or a flush draw. You are crushing his range, if he has 10-7 or a set so be it, rebuy for $200 and snap him off later.
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03-29-2011 , 12:46 PM
Thanks

Follow up question - If I had bought in for $200 and he makes the same play, do I still call? Is there some fold equity here that I'm not seeing?
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03-29-2011 , 01:20 PM
The PF raise should be much larger despit "the $5 avg at that table", I would make it 15-20 regardless, I dont think the others were raising to 5 with big pairs TBO IMO.

Last edited by OklaHustler; 03-29-2011 at 01:27 PM.
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03-29-2011 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pjhpmc
I hope I explain this right:
While I was sitting out the Lacrosse coach was doing his best to be a calling station, limping and calling just about any hand PF, but doing alot of pushing around Post Flop. I had folded my BB to him at least once and probably one or two of my limp in's.
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Follow up question - If I had bought in for $200 and he makes the same play, do I still call? Is there some fold equity here that I'm not seeing?
A) I doubt he makes the same play if you are deeper. A lot of $1-2 guys don't look at the pot odds they are getting to call a draw, but the total price it's going to cost them if they miss. He very well could be thinking, f*** it, it's only $70 if I'm wrong. We know this is a terrible line of thinking, but you see it a lot at 1-2.

B) Given your read, ya I still go with it. Only hands you are behind are 1010, 77, 33, 10-7. No way he has AA-KK here. And you are still crushing his draws, all his 10x hands, JJ and air (which is very possible, if he puts you on two broadway cards). You can take a different line if you are 200BB deep, or you have a read on the guy being somewhat nitty or passive post flop.

C) Someone else said it, but my open in this spot is $12-20, depending on table. Given it is tight, $12 or $15 should have been your PFR. 2.5BB at 1-2 is the same as a limp.
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03-29-2011 , 02:12 PM
I have played this game many times and I have never seen $5 as the standard open. I raise to 10-12.

Buyin for $200. With your stack you cannot fold an overpair on this board.
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03-29-2011 , 02:14 PM
yeah this is an easy call
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03-29-2011 , 02:20 PM
call and hope to dodge the 8h6h...
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03-29-2011 , 02:37 PM
yeah easy snap call 50BB deep
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03-29-2011 , 02:43 PM
did i say this is an easy call?
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03-29-2011 , 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pjhpmc
I hope I explain this right:

MGM, Las Vegas. 1/2 game on a sleepy mid-morning. I had just finished eating their buffet and sat down for a little poker. Bought in for $100.

The table was fairly tight except for a guy to my left who was wearing a blue windbreaker that had a "Wildcats Lacrosse" and the word "Coach" under it, wearing sunglasses. His stack was around 200ish.

The standard PF raise seemed to be $5, and I had been playing semi tight: I had C/folded two hands that failed to hit on the flop and I had 3b a player to my right (Old Man, seemed to be there just to pass the time) and took down a small pot. All this in about 4 orbits or so.

While I was sitting out the Lacrosse coach was doing his best to be a calling station, limping and calling just about any hand PF, but doing alot of pushing around Post Flop. I had folded my BB to him at least once and probably one or two of my limp in's.

I found QcQs UTG and made the standard $5 raise, which he called. The action was fold to the button, who made the call. There as about $18 in the pot at the time.

The flop came down 10h-7c-3h. I acted first and made a $20 bet. He then reraised me for my entire stack, around 70$. The button folded.

What do I do? Refraining from posting results until later.
This is not internet play the standard pre flop raise can never be $5 .
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03-29-2011 , 09:40 PM
Yeah, don't buy in to the hype. Just cause others are raising so small, doesn't mean that you should.

AP, snap call and do happy dance.
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03-29-2011 , 11:08 PM
ok results please
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03-30-2011 , 01:17 AM
+1 to a bigger raise pre-flop. (You yourself said that he was calling just about any hand PF). And whilst he may well have a hand that beats you, he is just as likely to have AT, KT, QT, two hearts or 89. And if he has flopped two pair, you still have outs.

Definite call, and next time, don't buy-in short and he won't try these moves.
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03-30-2011 , 01:18 AM
I'd just ask for a table change. I'm in love with making huge pre flop raises in weak passive 1/2 games. Buy in for the max and take TAG to the extreme.
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03-31-2011 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by KScityShuffL
ok results please
I snapcalled. He tabled the Ah5h and the turn card was the eye popping Qh. The river was a total blank.

Last edited by pjhpmc; 03-31-2011 at 06:20 PM. Reason: Edit: Forgot my action
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04-01-2011 , 06:17 AM
You should race his chips into the middle.

I'm not a fan of 1/2 because people are going to call anything for $5. It isn't like online where $5 dollars is considered a huge raise. Move up to 2/3 and buy in more. Hand would have played a lot differently. Villain certainly wouldn't have shoved on flop. You probably would have raised $15 - $20 which would keep Ace rags out.
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04-01-2011 , 09:54 PM
easy call!!! close your eyes hope that the flush doesnt hit
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