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11-15-2010 , 10:40 PM
Hero Dealt QhQd utg(effective stack of 200) villian covers. I raise to 10$.. Get six callers pot at 62$... well known competent reg calls in small blind. Flop Comes Jd 3s 2d.... I lead for 38$ folds around to reg... who makes it 80.
I give him credit for lower sets, but diamonds and draws are also in his range. I call to reavulate turn.. Turn comes 8c villian insta ships turn. Do you just snap fold? Being I only have a bluff catcher.
Sorry for not using HH converters Im new to this.
Replys appreciated, thanks
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11-15-2010 , 11:53 PM
Snapfold, you bet into 6 players after raising UTG and then called his raise, you have an overpair 90% of the time and he knows it.
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11-16-2010 , 02:37 AM
I think your decision really has to come on the flop.

I doubt a good reg is going to do this raise with just a weak draw maybe he can have combo draws like A3dd or 45dd. It really is a player based decision, if you have never seen him raise a flop or raise a flop with TNPK or TPTK you don't have to much to think about.

I think considering player and 6 way flop its an easy B/F
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11-16-2010 , 03:29 AM
Stack sizes are extremely important here
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11-16-2010 , 05:00 AM
I would bet bigger on the flop, and then get it in, he has AJ and thinks he's good..... only because you are not that deep, only 100 bb, but the game i play in is ridiculously loose and bad............ if you were deeper, you'd have to be much more careful,
And you said he was competent reg, so i can't fault a fold..... esp. if he is a tight ass MF, save your money...
Sometimes i would fold here if they really seem like they have a big hand, but i think its giving him too much credit.....
This deep, if he flopped a set in 1 2 , good for him, GH sir, and reload....
you've got a quarter of your stack in there, your not committed i guess, i would just go with whatever your instincts say to do at the time, and just go with your read and history with the guy and his current emotional state, you know, the phil ivey soul read, make the correct decision and win big....
There are definitely better spots that you could find to put yourself into to stack off , there is nothing wrong with low variance and folding here,, but i've thrown away too many winners trying to make big laydowns..... this is only 1 2 , don't give people too much credit..... but since this is a 6 way flop, that def. worries me..... i go with it usually and hope for the best nowadays, i think its real player dependent though.
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11-16-2010 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rakemyroll
Hero Dealt QhQd utg(effective stack of 200) villain covers. I raise to 10$.. Get six callers pot at 62$... well known competent reg calls in small blind. Flop Comes J3 2d I lead for 38$ folds around to reg... who makes it 80.
I give him credit for lower sets, but diamonds and draws are also in his range. I call to reavulate turn.. Turn comes 8c villian ships turn.
Villain's line appears strong multi-way, but could be a semi-bluff or probe raise given that action folded around. Villain's range likely consists of QJ-JA, 22-JJ, 45, 35-AK. Of the 58 combos in that range, QQ is losing to 9 and beating 48. Without history, my default is shoving.

Last edited by Jen-Sung Tan; 11-16-2010 at 05:53 AM.
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11-16-2010 , 05:47 AM
he doesnt have AJ here. u raised 10 and got called by 5 others, im sure Vil could have anything really since hes in SB and hes getting odds and its only 8 dollars.

Once u lead out ur repping a big hand, any comptent player could see tht. His smallish RR on flop is either a set or 2 pair.

How aggro is Vil? Young or old? Reads and stack sizes are really important. If hes young 2p2 type player i would lean closer to a call but even then TBH i think we are crushed here.

QQ is hard to play UTG in a loose passive game IMO, u raise to big everyone folds except AA-KK and maybe AK, u raise small and everyone calls.
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11-16-2010 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TwoSmeets
Snapfold, you bet into 6 players after raising UTG and then called his raise, you have an overpair 90% of the time and he knows it.
Have seen too many "raising for information" or overvaluing fold equity to credit players with this level of intuition without specific reads. Those tendencies are fundamental leaks, but their prevalence significantly effects my perception of opponents multiway check-raises.
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11-16-2010 , 09:29 AM
I'm calling. His raise on the flop is basically a min-raise, and you didn't bet very much. He could have any diamond combo, AJ KJ. Hell, he could be completely airballing here with his bet. It's a horribly unlikely board for 2-pair, gota think JJ would re-raise pre... so that leads 33 and 22. I'm calling.
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11-16-2010 , 04:22 PM
This was my exact thought process. If he has a set good for him, reload. and i thought draws made up a huge portion of his range. So i ended up getting it in on that brick turn and he flips up KhKd which completly caught me off guard.
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11-16-2010 , 04:54 PM
Yeah, nothing you can do there. IMO he played it wrong and it paid off for him. I assume if you held AA here, the majority of this thread would still advocate folding (QQ should = AA here considering preflop action), but they'd be wrong, so I think it's a correct call. Nh, tough luck.
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