Was playing 1/2 earlier, we had a massive fish at the table (nice young guy) - literally was 100% vpip, donk betting almost every flop, often showed up with random 2 pairs or bottom pair. He had MASSIVE swings at the table (ran up to 600, down to 100, up to 500, down to 150 - he played 100% range it seemed over the course of 4 hours. I was lucky enough to be seated to his left and got to iso him quite a few times, so built my stack to 500 mostly through him.

OTTH:



Effective stack is $375 (hero covers both players):

V1 (fish) open limps UTG+2, I raise A8cc to 12 to iso, folds to button (old man who sees a lot of flops and likes to chase flush draws, seen him call down with 2pair, he is aware of fish and has gotten a decent amount off fish) who calls, v1 calls.



Flop ($38): 458 two diamonds

Fish donk bets 10, I raise to 25 knowing he will call me with literally any pair. Button calls. Fish calls



**Turn (**$113): Ah giving me two pair

Fish checks, I bet about half pot ($55). Button calls, fish calls.



River: ($278): 6x (flush draw missed)

Fish donk bets 75. I'm struggling to think of which hands of a normal opponent I beat, but I this guy's range can literally be any two cards (he called pot size bet at one point earlier to hit gutshot on river for straight vs a set). I think for a bit and call, get called by old man as well



Here's a little more history on our v1:

I've seen him donk bet rivers before with bottom pair when flush draws missed. He'd get called and not know that he has to turn over first so it would always be a bit awkward because he showed down bottom pair / underpair to board a few times, but also two pairs a few times. At one point he thought he had a winning hand with straight when full house was on board. If I hadn't slept only 1 hour through the night I'd still be at the casino to his left...as soon as I left an hour after this hand, someone seat changed there.

Haven't read spoiler, and if it includes results I'll edit them out, as most people can't resist. Wait a day or so before posting them.

That said, NH; WP, imo.

If you're going to raise OTF I would raise bigger exploitatively and to try and get the pot HU. Same with turn if you're going to bet bet bigger. You even mentioned he called a pot sized bet before with just a gunshot so why not charge him for drawing. AP I guess it's a call on the river given the specific opponent but I'm def not loving it. A little confused what the BUT has, I feel like he def should have raised at some point in the hand if he had a set/2 pair to protect against the FD/SD. There is a good chance you're beat here but the price is too good and it's against a specific V.

Raise significantly more on flop for value, bet a little more on turn, same reason.

As played, calling river, not super happy about it but can't even consider folding in the circumstances.

I lean towards a fold in this spot, one of our opponents has a straight I'm guessing like 80 percent of the time. Flop raise and turn sizing are both too small. As played, I'd recommend more like 35 on the flop and 80% pot on turn, dont be shy going for value against fishes. I would in fact consider larger it depends how we are ranging the 3rd player as strong players can punish us pretty hard.

Without a STRONG specific read that the villain will river bet light OTR, I’m folding the river.

There is a big difference between passive calling and betting into a one liner to a straight with bottom pair.

A key GENERAL approach to ssnlh for me is to assume the general loose passive player pool calls too light and under bet/bluffs later streets. So, when they’re betting, they likely have it.

Folding river here will win money over the long term imo.

And, like others, I’m raising (45ish) OTF.


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My read on him was he could have any two cards. Literally. He's donk bet river with underpair to board, and had to show (sheepishly) when called. It happened multiple times - he never had complete air when called, always a pair or underpair to board. He donk bet any time he got any piece of the board on any street generally.

I guess my question was more tailored towards bet sizing on my part, and if it's a call (not vs the fish but with one to act after).

Thanks @ all for the input, much appreciated!