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05-24-2010 , 07:19 PM
I was playing at a table that opened up about 30 minutes prior so no real reads on villians because only have seen 3-5 showdowns in the time being. Was playing fairly tag as the table was really loose. Would normally get about 3-5 limpers per hand.

The hand before i was mp2 or 3 and had people limp in before me. looked down at a:hearts:3:hearts and decided to limp too. we had 8 outta 9 people in that hand when it flopped 555. I decided to bet at it just to see were i was at. To my suprise no one had anything so i decided to throw em face up. Showing the bluff made my image look pretty loose i think until the next hand.

next hand i look at AA

Both The callers are around my age. UTG is like 80/5 over 20-25 hands and has played fairly loose compared to the rest of the table. Got to see 3 showdown hands with him vs others were he showed mid pair on fd/paired board. BB seems to be playing about 40/10 over same amount of hands.


I have 103
UTG-~125
BB~125
I make a raise of 11 in Mp after 1 limper. I have get 2 callers making the pot 30$

Flop comes 3AQ

BB checks, UTG donk bets into me for 25$ which leads me to believe a FD with possible KJ or tpdk with 1 draw card with no real reads and only a few showdowns. I really dont think that he would be donk betting with much less here which puts me in a decent spot and ahead most of the time. Tho i didnt feel he was strong seeing how loose he had been playing. Whats the best thing to do at this point?

ship-i win if fd doesnt catch or straight draws. giving opps 13 outs vs my made set. (if he has Kjs with FD and only) otherwise 9 for fd.
raise to 55~ only leaving me 40 left and shipping turn if it blanks?
Call- Call and when he bets out on turn ship?

I ended up shipping it- but with no real solid reads whats my line at this point?

To my suprise the BB calls 92, which makes me think he may he trip Qs or AQ which is dominated at this point. So does UTG giving ~315 pot. They both checked which now lead me to believe their hand werent as strong as i gave them.

Board runs 3AQ95

The dude next to me was some young kid saying "request to see there hand, request to see there hand" i said nah and flipped over trips. Good line? BB said he didnt think i was that strong and he had outs. Idk why UTG called..


Spoiler:
Utg shows A8o, BB mucks, asked him later and he said he had KQs.
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05-24-2010 , 07:43 PM
...What's your point? This is an incredibly clear ship on the flop. You won the maximum against live donks. So?
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05-24-2010 , 07:43 PM
With your current image and stack size, shipping it seems best.
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05-24-2010 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by weirdchess1
...What's your point? This is an incredibly clear ship on the flop. You won the maximum against live donks. So?
Wondering best line on flop with image + players + virtually no reads. 1/3 i loose this hand. >
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05-24-2010 , 07:54 PM
Meh, the stack sizes are kind of awkward (or perfect depending on how you look at it). I think I like just shipping the flop here especially given our spewy image and against two players there is a higher chance that one of them will call us.

After UTG's donk bet there is lot of money ($55) out there and if we ship he is getting nearly 2:1 on his money meaning that he thinks he is getting even money if he calls with a flush draw. Live players can also convince themselves that we are on a draw or just spazzing out. If we let a card peel, there are plenty of cards that could spoil our action or allow our opponents to draw out on us.

Given stack sizes, If we just call, there is a chance they will ship the turn drawing live with a strong draw. Even though we have a monster and shipping the flop will scare them away often... a scenario where both our opponents will almost definitely fold is still better than allowing them to get their money in drawing live with a flush draw.
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05-24-2010 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by roxsolid22
I was playing at a table that opened up about 30 minutes prior so no real reads on villians because only have seen 3-5 showdowns in the time being. Was playing fairly tag as the table was really loose. Would normally get about 3-5 limpers per hand.

The hand before i was mp2 or 3 and had people limp in before me. looked down at a:hearts:3:hearts and decided to limp too. we had 8 outta 9 people in that hand when it flopped 555. I decided to bet at it just to see were i was at. To my suprise no one had anything so i decided to throw em face up. Showing the bluff made my image look pretty loose i think until the next hand.

next hand i look at AA

Both The callers are around my age. UTG is like 80/5 over 20-25 hands and has played fairly loose compared to the rest of the table. Got to see 3 showdown hands with him vs others were he showed mid pair on fd/paired board. BB seems to be playing about 40/10 over same amount of hands.


I have 103
UTG-~125
BB~125
I make a raise of 11 in Mp after 1 limper. I have get 2 callers making the pot 30$

Flop comes 3AQ

BB checks, UTG donk bets into me for 25$ which leads me to believe a FD with possible KJ or tpdk with 1 draw card with no real reads and only a few showdowns. I really dont think that he would be donk betting with much less here which puts me in a decent spot and ahead most of the time. Tho i didnt feel he was strong seeing how loose he had been playing. Whats the best thing to do at this point?

ship-i win if fd doesnt catch or straight draws. giving opps 13 outs vs my made set. (if he has Kjs with FD and only) otherwise 9 for fd.
raise to 55~ only leaving me 40 left and shipping turn if it blanks?
Call- Call and when he bets out on turn ship?

I ended up shipping it- but with no real solid reads whats my line at this point?

To my suprise the BB calls 92, which makes me think he may he trip Qs or AQ which is dominated at this point. So does UTG giving ~315 pot. They both checked which now lead me to believe their hand werent as strong as i gave them.

Board runs 3AQ95

The dude next to me was some young kid saying "request to see there hand, request to see there hand" i said nah and flipped over trips. Good line? BB said he didnt think i was that strong and he had outs. Idk why UTG called..


Spoiler:
Utg shows A8o, BB mucks, asked him later and he said he had KQs.
Ez ship. This is a pretty standard spot. I think if villians were drawing they would be more likely to fold to a shove on a blank turn cause thats what fish do. Fish are always more apt to call with their draws when they have two chances to hit and always seem tighter on the turn. Calling does nothing here.
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05-25-2010 , 12:21 PM
live players are so bad. including op
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05-25-2010 , 12:29 PM
so so standard ... 100% ship.
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