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07-21-2011 , 10:27 AM

ShyGuy03533

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Dealt QQ in the CO, utg opens for 15, utg+1 snap min raises to 30, folds around to me, I start playing with chips and thought about flatting when the original raiser (utg) shoves all-in out of turn. I just sigh and snap fold. I feel like it's an obv fold, but can you fold KK there too, esp with the 3bettor still to act?

Effective Stacks are around 190-200.
utg had about 240
min raiser (utg+1) had about 190

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07-21-2011 , 10:53 AM

Mrspiky

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 352

I haven't played for long, but I have never seen anyone at 1/2 going all in for 100bb with less then KK and when they get called it's usually AA.

I def fold QQ and I would think hard about folding KK too.

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07-21-2011 , 10:59 AM

Superman1

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,556

You need to be careful here. is action out of turn binding at your casino? because if its not then UTG could have just angle shot you to get information.

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07-21-2011 , 11:26 AM

ShyGuy03533

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Originally Posted by Superman1

You need to be careful here. is action out of turn binding at your casino? because if its not then UTG could have just angle shot you to get information.

i actually asked the dealer if that was binding, and he said no, but the guy was a 70 year old indian man, the last person who would be bluffing/angle shooting imho

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07-21-2011 , 11:54 AM

Rounder711

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Did he end up shoving?

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07-21-2011 , 11:56 AM

ShyGuy03533

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yik, and utg+1 folded KK, but utg never showed but he claimed he had AA and i dont see how he couldn't

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07-21-2011 , 12:06 PM

pvigar

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Folded KK? How can a guy min-raise with KK PF and fold to a shove OOT?

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07-21-2011 , 12:52 PM

bigbirddanerd

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I think QQ is a snap fold and I dont see a way of me getting away from KK here at these stakes. Do you know enough about the villain to put him on AA?? otherwise im flatting anyway and calling if he shoves

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07-21-2011 , 01:40 PM

ShyGuy03533

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Originally Posted by bigbirddanerd

well he couldn't flat. utg opened... your gonna flat KK in utg+1 after a utg open?

idk if ur confused, but utg had AA, utg+1 had KK, utg+1 minraised, i tanked and utg (original opener) 3bet shoved oot.

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07-21-2011 , 04:43 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Unless reads tell me otherwise, I'd be be folding QQ to the min3bet, let alone the out-of-turn action behind me.

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