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09-12-2020 , 11:49 AM
Ah my bad, forgot some combos. I do think it's unlikely V has any Kx as he raised flop, but then again who the hell knows in LLSNL.
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09-12-2020 , 01:28 PM
K9 comes to mind particularly.
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09-13-2020 , 11:51 PM
Grunch - From this forum I've learned that you have to size more pre at these stakes. When you size a little higher, it makes your post flop play a whole lot easier.

On this run out, you can't be sure if you opponent has A4 or K9 because $8 isn't "scary" enough.

But a further problem here is we have no info on the V's in this hand. Is he generally loose and passive? If yes then once he starts putting money in on the turn we can probably fold. Or is he a maniac? If yes then we are basically not folding this hand to aggression and have to embrace a little variance if he happens to be ahead this time.

The best way to classify players is to pay attention to the hands you are not in, and determine what players are showing up with when money is going into the pot. If they spike 2p on the river after calling with T3 and just a pair of 3s OTF? Station. If they muck and lose to A-high after crazy betting? Maniac. If they are never in a hand but then go crazy when they DO raise pre? Nit/rock.

Once you are able to classify the players, pay attention when they do something off-type. Station is raising instead of calling? 2p or better. Maniac is checking or betting small? He is either really strong and doesn't want folds, or really weak and ready to dump. Nit is in the hand at all? Proceed with caution.

For this particular hand, if you've seen your opponent overvalue top pair, even if that top pair is relatively weak? Then you might be able to put him on a 9. If he always calls and never check raises? Then now you can probably put him on 99 or A4. If he never raises/3bets pre, but gets crazy when he has any overpair to the board? This could be TT-JJ.

Without more info than the table appears to be loose and passive, so this V is likely loose and passive? This is a call OTF for me but probably a tough fold OTT. If he's betting when a K hits, than he is not scared of you having a king. He's likely beating a king, which means he's ahead of your QQ.
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09-14-2020 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Curious as to if you and others think a flop bet 4-ways is profitable here, because I'm not sure it is given rake considerations. I think we have to find a check here somewhere and flop seems best on a dry + rainbow texture like this where we don't have to protect against much.
I would say I find being able to Cbet frequently brings a lot of value from picking up orphan pots. Knowing your opponents makes for easier (though not always easy) decisions on later streets. Most often you'll be against a station and you can value bet or just check it down, and not have to worry too much about balancing as most stations are unaware. The check downs you're losing your PF and flop bets, but more than making up for it when picking up orphan pots and value spots.

When not up against a station after the flop I force them into mistakes when they think I play them the same way I play a station. One of the best ways to do this is c/c'ing down light once or twice. Or mixing in an appropriate c/r. Most of the time the aware players start to stay out of my way and pick easier targets, which means they are mostly straightforward when they are sticking around against me. Its not as easy as playing the stations, but its still pretty easy.

Sometimes I do run into an aware player who's sticky against me in particular, but then that's often pretty easy as well. I value bet them like a station AND mix in light call downs. Some sessions I win more money from sticky TAGs than stations. Harder to navigate sometimes but still lucrative.
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09-14-2020 , 11:12 PM
Great posts, very informative.
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09-15-2020 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by daredeviljo
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To give you some context, players were limping and calling raises preflop quite light. Probably pretty typical of a standard $1/$2 game. The effective stack of this hand was my stack, with $273.

I look down at Qs Q♥ on the BTN. CO limps, I raise to $8, and everyone calls. 4-way to the flop.



Thanks for any input and I look forward on hearing it!
others have provided solid input on post flop play SO

look at bolded in your words
$8 pre is horrible; extra bad if they are willing to call light when they call
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