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08-05-2010 , 02:16 PM
I was at a local 1/2 game playing 6 handed. We had fluctuated from 6-8 handed the entire night and this is 4.5-5 hours into the game. Everyone is deepstacked with the shortest stack being to my right with ~300.Stacks and seat positions: seat1: ~575, seat 2:~300(CO) Seat 3: 550 (hero/button) Seat 4:~950 Seat: 5 ~1100 and Seat 6: ~475(UTG)

UTG villain limps, CO limps, Hero on the button gets AA(spade/heart) and raises to 12 which is the standard raise PF.

UTG villain is very loose-passive. he calls. CO is a rock. He calls. I have played with the CO often and he is a rock. This is my first session with UTG villain and I can tell he is a station. From conversation i know that the UTG villain plays alot in the "hood" games where they basically just get it all in pre or on the flop and the house takes a huge rake. It's like playing cold hands...

Flop: K 8 9 (8 9 of clubs).

UTG:checks CO: bets out 25 Button Hero: Raises to 83. UTG:snap calls and the CO tank folds exposing the Q of clubs.

At this point my read is flush draw maybe flush and straight combo draws because he can't keep his eyes off the flop and at the sight of a bad card i could see my self slowing down. I don't put 2 pair in his range as i have seen him get it in as quickly as possible when he has a hand in fear that someone will suck out on him.

Turn: A of diamonds

Villain: checks Hero: ???

Pot size is 224 after rake
Fantastic card but here is where I am not sure what route I should take. I know checking isn't an option considering I know most of his range is flush or flush and straight draws right? so what bet do you make here and why?

Results to come later.
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08-05-2010 , 02:30 PM
Isn't this a shove all day? Unless I'm missing something.
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08-05-2010 , 02:33 PM
I think most of the hands in his range are draws so we definitely wanna charge him for them but because we turned the nuts we don't want to kill our action. If we bet $100ish then he is not quite getting the right price on his draws and it is a smallish enough bet and you are deep enough that he could decide to spazz out. If he calls it sets up for a nice river shove.
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08-05-2010 , 02:34 PM
Pot Size $224, stack size of opponent $205. $125 sounds good. You can shove and it wouldn't be incorrect but might as well milk him for what he's worth.
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08-05-2010 , 02:34 PM
Too deep to shove unless I read this wrong. Don't get fancy just put $200 in there.
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08-05-2010 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by slupo
Isn't this a shove all day? Unless I'm missing something.
Well, villain still has $380 in his stack, with only $224 in the pot. Unless you know he can't fold a big draw to an overbet (and I know some players like that), then I think $150-$175 is best, leaving you to shove all the safe rivers but also setting up the possibility he could be shoving a scare card.
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08-05-2010 , 04:19 PM
Well... i bet 162 and villain snap called.

River: 10 of clubs

Villain tanks then checks... so i check behind and flip up my set of aces saying your flush is good. He acts like im good and right before mucking his hand slow rolls me with 4 5 of clubs... The rock from the cut off folded K Q of clubs because he gave one of us the nut flush draw. I cashed out shortly after that and just laughed my way back to my car...
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08-05-2010 , 05:29 PM
sucks. at least u checked back, turn bet wasnt tht bad. If its one thing ive learned its that people dont like to fold FDs.
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08-05-2010 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by undurrrated
Well... i bet 162 and villain snap called.

River: 10 of clubs

Villain tanks then checks... so i check behind and flip up my set of aces saying your flush is good. He acts like im good and right before mucking his hand slow rolls me with 4 5 of clubs... The rock from the cut off folded K Q of clubs because he gave one of us the nut flush draw. I cashed out shortly after that and just laughed my way back to my car...
what a fish
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08-05-2010 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by undurrrated
At this point my read is flush draw maybe flush and straight combo draws because he can't keep his eyes off the flop...

Pot size is 224 after rake

I know most of his range is flush or flush and straight draws right? so what bet do you make here and why?
I agree with Wes and your bet (although a pot bet might even be OK against this dude).

Since we are sure he has a strong draw, I want the draws to call getting terrible odds or I don't want them to call at all.

If I average his draw combos to something like 12-14 outs he's around 3:1 on a turn call to break even. I charge a bit more and bet Minimum of 2/3 and more like 3/4 pot ($150-170ish) which will lay him around 2.5:1 or a little less so I your 162 turn bet is in line with my standard bet here.

While I want to get value with my big hands, it is not profitable to put them on sale too often... especially against players I have identified as a "station". If players draw with bad odds against us it will eventually be profitable for us over the long term.

Last edited by cAmmAndo; 08-05-2010 at 07:50 PM.
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08-05-2010 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wes c. addle
Well, villain still has $380 in his stack, with only $224 in the pot. Unless you know he can't fold a big draw to an overbet (and I know some players like that), then I think $150-$175 is best, leaving you to shove all the safe rivers but also setting up the possibility he could be shoving a scare card.
Oh i got the stack sizes confused. Thought it was 300.
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