1/2 $340 effective stacks.

Villain: UTG+1
Hero: UTG+2

Hero:KdKh


V: raise to 12
H: raise to 35
Folds to V who calls.
Flop: Kc Jc 8s

V: checks
H: bets 35 v calls

Turn: 9c

V:checks

Hero: bets 50

V: raises to 100

H: calls

River: 10s

V: pretends to start counting out chips then “reluctantly” shoves all in for 170.

Hero:?

Core tenets of llnl are they don't bluff often enough, they dont bluff often enough OTR, and you shouldn't pay them off when they make large bets. The sigh-shove is rarely a bluff, too.

Without knowing more about the V, I personally don't see this being a bluff more often than 25% of the time against your average 1/2 player. This would be a sigh fold for me.

Flop bet is too small. Check turn or bet/fold or bet/shove. No reason to bet/call (especially that small bet) when he has only $170 left.

As played, A game it's probably a fold, but not sure I could do it. Any reads on V?

V makes a crazy small raise on a super wet board that you should never be folding to, and then reluctantly shoves the river.

Seems like an annoying but typical fold.

Without some specific history with villain this is a fold. The flush got there and there is a 4 straight that completes likely hands. Few villains are bluffing or shoving with a worse hand.

The bet sizing is a little awkward here. On the flop the pot is $70 and hero bets $35. In practice bet should almost always be higher or lower. Half the pot keeps draws in play but encourages bad hands to fold. This board is so wet that hero probably should either check or bet $60-$75.

The turn card is the worst card, completing the flush and QT. Hero should check behind and focus on getting to showdown. The river is also bad, with all QX now making a straight, including the likely AQ/KQ/QJ hands.

Any Q, any 7, any 2c all have us beat. Unless he's a maniac, he should have almost no 2p hands. And if he does, we should probably have seen something from them previously to indicate that. And if that's the case, shove the turn.

Also, flop larger given board texture.

Are you thinking that if I bet bigger on the flop draws will fold but worse hands that lose to me will call? If so, then I agree I probably should have bet more.

I bet on the turn for value and to see where I was at. The fact that he check/raised me suggests that he has a flush to me. I call the extra 50 due to pot odds and the fact that I could boat up or hit quads. Also, if he was bluff check/raising me maybe he would give up after my call?

When he was counting out chips, I felt it was an act, I couldn’t believe he would do anything other than check or shove and of course he shoved.

I ended up folding in disgust given how the board ran out, obviously any Q makes a straight, any 2 clubs beat me. It left a very sour taste in my mouth and ended the session.

Turn check. As played fold river

What is the point of checking the turn especially after he checked the turn?

What if he has a club and a fourth comes out on the river? I just let him get there for free. I suppose if you think it’s likely he hit the flush then you want to try to hit a boat or quads on the river for free.

Because it's the worst card for you and you're not really getting value from anything worse compared to the times you value cut yourself or have to deal with a CR.

At this point your hand isn't a three street hand anymore. So checking back let's you get value more often on the river and also you draw to your boat for free vs all his flushes and they get less value over all.

If you do bet because he's a fish and calls pre and flop too wide then bet is fine but you want to go 1/3. But checking overall is going to be the superior option.

Using some weird logic where you want to charge the few one club hands he has as your reason for betting isn't very sound.

Anyways river is a clear fold.

The other thing is when you think about the types of hands he has.

When you heavily block top pair like in this spot this skews his flop calls to draws. The 9c and Qc are very bad for you.

I agree with the other posters. Turn should be a check. Flush got there, Q10 got there. Checking back will give you a free redraw to the boat and keep the pot size controlled. On the river the pot would be around 140 so you could call a smallish bet by V if you don't believe him. After the 10 hits the river this would be a fold for me anyway. AP its a fold.

Don't let this run out tilt you. This type of stuff happens all the time.

feels like AQ KQ QQ QT or 77. I'd be surprised if it was anything else. sigh fold

Don't do this. But if you do, then at least pay attention to the message you've been given.

Don't get frustrated with a hand like this. You flopped a monster hand on a very wet board and got a horrendous runout, it happens, and on boards this wet it happens a lot. Folding shouldn't leave a bad taste in your mouth, it shows that you are on top of your game at that moment