This kid comes to my table and sits to my left and at first seemed rather tight. I was on a decent card rush and have raised preflop about 4 of his first 11 hands at the table. The first 3 hands he folded pre on my 4th raise preflop he called with 82 in mp so I decided right than and there that he's a recreational/bad player. One hand that was interesting that I have seen villian play was a 5way pot where he had 55 ip. The flop came 982s pot size (45 dollars) the pfr cbet 20 and 2 other people called he raised to 90 and instantly called another 100 dollar shove.

The hand I played with him was interesting I never straddle unless I have a very strong reason to do so. This guy kept asking me to straddle he said if I did he would put a dead straddle out of 8 and I still said no but the guy to his left said he would also dead straddle to 15 so I said fine I'll do it.

affective stack size 320 he has me covered

Preflop
UTG+2 Dead straddles to 15
UTG+1 Dead straddles to 8
UTG Live Straddles to 4
Button calls 15
Hero is dealt Ak
Hero raises to 65.00
Villain calls
Rest fold

At this point I'm thinking he was calling my raise with any two cards.
Flop pot size 163
953
I checked, I would check here my entire value range because I feel villain has a very wide range and will bluff a high frequency. He shoved and I called


Thoughts???

I really don't think I should fold but I just started playing live poker and it's definitely a different game than online.

Terrible.

LMfao what the hell, you have 6 outs with a BDFD, why are you calling hes not shoving with air.

So I am not only one missing something here that makes this hand unfoldable ? At least c-bet that flop, if he got half a brain then he called your 60 light

and this is exactly why i don't straddle. nothing like creating a bloated pot OOP if you want to lose money

There are very valid reasons to straddle, but this requires a specific game. For example I will always straddle if one of the following goes on:
- Tourist(s) to my right (value value value, I'm going to play almost any hand against typical tourist)
- People who can't afford the game anywhere on the table (straddle puts them off their comfort zone)
- People I easily outplay to my right (calling stations, weak-loose and so on)

You see the pattern.

calling is atrocious

Why did you call?
This play is the worst in a long time I'm here on 2+2 forum. How come you call a shove with air? Based on what -

Che,

I would like a little more history with villain before even considering calling here. As played I think you fold this spot a lot more often then you would online. Your correct that by checking you keep his range wider.

But in my experience live players will turn their made hands into bluffs more frequently and in stranger spots than online players do. So you aren't ahead often enough to really call with ace high because they really have no concept of ranges or getting value from you range. Villain could be jamming here with a 5x,3x, 44, 66, 22, etc because he's thinking "I'm probably ahead because he checked, so I'll bet". That's really the extent of their analysis.

Its also the same reason why they are rarely semi-bluffing with a flush or straight draw here (which isn't the case online). They check those hands because they are drawing with outs and are "not ahead" in their mind.

Personally, I'd rather check/fold or bet and pick up the dead money. Check/calling is the worst option IMO because of the tendencies of live players to turn made hands into bluffs and play draws passively (semi-bluffing rarely).

I just reread your post and saw that villain proved my point about turning made hands into bluffs with this hand you mentioned. So you definitely have to weigh a lot of the made hands I listed before as being in his range when he jams on you.

please don't post results.

I snap call then muck without seeing the next two cards. My play here is only slightly worse than yours.

I think there are only two options in this hand post-flop. Either continuation bet and be prepared to fold to a raise. Or check and then fold to a bet. As played, even though you may have got away with it, it's a horrible play.

Honestly, it's not a HORRIBLE call. You have 6 outs + 2 outs for the backdoor NFD, plus a backdoors str8 draw that probably counts for a fraction of an out. He could have sets, but I'd say flush draws are in his range too. Such as 87.

Unless he's super aggro and spewy, it's still a slightly losing call though IMO. WE're getting 1.65-1 and we want at least 2.5-1 to call.

If you've already decided the hand is unfoldable, shove on the flop instead of checking. At least there you have some fold equity.

I still don't like the hand, but that would at least be better than merely calling.

This a what everyone else said. You took the lead in the hand, why give it up?and calling with A-high is so bad here. Just jam flop if you were never folding

Shove after the flop or fold after his shove. Also i think i would raise more preflop against the guy who has been begging for you to straddle. Clearly he wants to gamble i think i make it 85-100. Especially if it seems like he is calling with ATC.

results?

The pot size is about 160 I have 160 behind there is no way I could b/f ak high here. Villains never folding a pair in this spot so i think shoving is worst than c/c as well. From my experiences online I viewed this spot as an aggressive fish who doesn't fold to 3bets/4bets ever and would shove because I must of missed the flop once I have checked this is most likely incorrect live but I just started playing live FR, and am trying to adjust to the different styles of play. I guess it's easier to click buttons than to physically put chips in the middle.

Thanks for the response was very helpful

villian had 46s I think i got lucky running into this part of his range.

Haha 46, cool that you won, but the fact that you don't think you can fold AK is weird.

I had a great response to tell you how bad your play potentially was and then I remembered I made an almost identical play on weekend because I was convinced villain was drawing. I called an extra $116 in a pot that had about $300 in it on a j high board with AK.

The Villains bet in your hand seemed like he was over betting to push you out and take the dead money. Depending on how many buyins I had I could find a call here.

Why does the number of buy in's matter in this situation? Don't you want to play optimal poker regardless? Are you trying to avoid variance?

I agree with poster who said raise more (I would say 85) then I think jamming is a pot sized bet on the flop (or close to it). Go from there, with this flop I think i would jam in that situation.

My bad i just saw that i originally posted that the stack size were effectively 320 they were 220 my bad everyone