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10-24-2015 , 10:12 AM

tiagoferreir1

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hi,

I have some hands that i played that i wanted to hear some opinion,

Hand 1
AcQs i raise 8€ UTG+1 got some folds and a guy that has been kinda agressive but in a controled way 3bets and says "can be 20€" theres a loose passive reg that cold calls the 20 and i tryed to pick the pot pre flop and 4bet to 60€ and both of them called

FLOP: 2h3s4c
pot: ~180€

so here i have 170€ loose passive reg has 102€ and the other has both of us covered

Hero?

Last edited by Garick; 10-24-2015 at 10:36 AM. Reason: Removed results

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10-24-2015 , 10:41 AM

Garick

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Welcome, OP. Please don't post the action you're asking about or the results in your post, as it will get you biased advice. I edited them out for you.

I don't hate the 4-bet squeeze, but it's got to be bigger. With your call, the pot is already 60, and you raised only 40 more. The aggressive player will likely always call, knowing that he has position on you and that the fish will likely come along if he calls, giving him nice pot odds. Make it at least 80, or fold.

I'm not going to commenton the flop, since I saw the results. I'll leave that to others.

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10-24-2015 , 10:47 AM

BadlyBeaten

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Stop 4-betting AQ.

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10-24-2015 , 10:54 AM

tiagoferreir1

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thanks garick, yes i think if i make it bigger it would help me in further decisions. Lets suppouse that i 4bet to 80 and the fish shoves the 160 i have to call that 100% of the time correct?

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10-24-2015 , 11:50 AM

Garick

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Lets suppouse that i 4bet to 80 and the fish shoves the 160 i have to call that 100% of the time correct?

Pre-flop, I presume? I don't think so. When a loose passive player suddenly shows aggression, I feel pretty confident putting them on a tight and strong range, and could easily fold AQo, even though I 3-bet.

Post-flop on that board, it would be a turbo-fold.

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10-24-2015 , 03:58 PM

Willikizz

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I like the 4 bet because your likely to get called by worse against passive players because they have position and you can also take the pot there and then which isn't the worse situation.

I think now with that flop two over cards, a gut shot and a strong preflop image you have to bet the flop.

Against sets you have fives, over pairs you have overcards and there is a lot of better hands you can get to fold.

You check the flop your virtually giving up on the pot and often with the best hand. Or letting someone win with a weak pair.

I'd bet strong and probably lose my stack with Ace high.

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10-24-2015 , 04:15 PM

Frenic

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The real problem is stack size vs pot size. The loose passive is likely call any bets with the pot size. 60 is ok pre flop, but now you are oop. The aggressive player is probably expecting a bet so if it is less than a shove Than he could go over the top. If you check he shoves a d you have to fold. Check and fold or shove and pray, you only have a Simi bluffing hand now.

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10-24-2015 , 04:25 PM

Willikizz

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I wouldn't bet fold but wouldn't Jam. I'd bet get it in you'll often have 10 outs and sometimes you will still be ahead. Unless you knew that you could bet fold small against players that would only go over the top with large holdings.

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10-24-2015 , 08:25 PM

tiagoferreir1

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Yes that is ehat i thought in the moment, if i check im giving up and the passive player can shove some worst aces and any pair vs the agressive player its likely that he will play straight forward because he still has a active player to talk... Indeed as played i dont dislike the shove on the flop because i will have 10 puts almost every time agains some medium pairs like 77 88 99 TT JJ. Thanks guys

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10-24-2015 , 10:38 PM

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ohmyrage

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Much bigger 3 bet. 80-100

As played shove.

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10-24-2015 , 11:02 PM

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bunkers

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I really do not like the 4!.. We are out if position and we are gonna be put in a lot of spots.. If at all I decide 4! AQ, I would size it a bit more and am jamming a wide range of flops...but def not this one....

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10-25-2015 , 12:02 AM

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fitzthetaxman

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seems like a jam to me. with that said I kinda want to bet 120/ get it in so we can see what the other guy has and muck if we lose.

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10-25-2015 , 10:17 AM

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Willikizz

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Being out of position is a reason to 4bet. Because people call wider in position.

If we are out of position people call because they have position and can pay us off when we hit against their dominated hands. We also are more happy to take the hands down preflop.

In position people are more likely to fold weaker hands to a 4bet because THEY are out of position.

This means that the 4 bet out of position will attract weaker hands and we are betting for value where as the 4bet in position is folding out the weaker hands and mostly attracting the hands that we are in poor shape against.

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