Casino in Stockholm.

10 handed. Very passive game.

Limped around to me on the BTN, limping with 9h 6h.

6 to the flop, Ah Jh 3h.

Blinds check, UTG($80) who limped pushes all in for $80 into $12.

Passive, honest fish in CO ($185) says to the player who pushes. Maybe this is the hand I`m going to get back on you, while he is smiling, counts out a call and calls pretty confidently within say 20 seconds. He has $105 behind.

Over to me and I cover.

Push Call Fold?

Know it`s not very much info, but I hadn`t been sitting for long.. and this is basically the info I had at that point.

Played 6-7 hours in the same game the day before, had not seen an overbet push until this point.

I do not think both of them are doing this with draws. Someone has to have a

higher flush than you have. Maybe CO has Khx but other than that i think it

would be a fold. Too risky to call after all that action.

If you have any read on the fish as being strong then I think this is a fold.

Fold>Push>Call

Interesting spot. You have nothing invested and have to dodge considerable outs the times you are ahead (against a single higher heart draw, or 33). However, if you're behind, you're drawing dead. Two players have shown considerable interest in playing for all their chips. I wouldn't fault a fold here.

Then again, UTG can easily have something like AJ, and the caller can possibly have a LOWER flush than you. He could also have something like AxTh, or KhJx. Very difficult to tell.

Could really go either way here.

Most other responses are going to be of the typical "live players suck and could easily have super wide ranges full of marginal hands" variety, so expect this thread to run about 75/25 shove/fold advice

CO is probably going to show up with Kx/Qx of hearts more often than 8x so i'd lean toward folding. shipping is fine though.

Shipping is fine???? Really? You've got a few bucks invested into a mono flop multi ways.

What about this

Grunch:

We have like 0$ invested, we are either drawing dead, or at best we are ahead but not by much 3 ways.

When in doubt, just fold in these spots. I think it helps winrate when you truley have no reads.

Fold>shove>>>>>call

They would ship AxKh, AJ, AA, JJ, and 33 here and wouldn't necessarily raise any of them pre. There's plenty of hands that we can beat here.

discount a lot of that range dude, people raise jj, AA, AK, AJ most of the time so cut that range in half.

9 hi flush is really strong here.

It's definitely way better spot for 96 than say 34Thhh.

I disagree. Look at his description of the game. A lot of fishy players will slow play their monsters and add to the fact that he says the game plays super passive and we can easily see them limping all of their premium hands pre flop.

Yeah its a tough spot, a lot to dodge if your not beat because you know one of them has the Nut/2nd Nut draw...

Probably a fold though, unless you have a sick read

Grunch** we got a lucky flop, but we are beat here. Its a limp pot so flushes are wide one of them has you beat.

Also FOLD PRE

wow...so we flop a flush and people are advocating a snap fold when the biggest effective stack is 90BB's and there is already one villain all in for less...talk about nitting it up eh boys. I mean what the hell are we calling pre for if we are going to flop gin and then fold because we get exactly what we want???

#1 fold pre

As played, shoving is better than folding in the games I play in. You will see AJ 33 Ax with a heart a lot here. I'd be more inclined to fold if the board wasn't a high monotone but i'm probably still calling.

folding is kind of criminal here imo.

it depends, what type of games do you play OP??

Nobody really said it's a snap or an easy fold.

It is not a fold at all. If a villain has a set, two pair, or ax of hearts they are not folding ever in this spot. We have an edge and have to go with it.

ok fair enough but i just kept reading fold post after fold post and was a little taken back.

[pretty much this] there are way worse hands that will call a shove in this spot AND that are likely holdings of the villains. The fact of the matter is it's extremely hard mathematically to flop flush over flush. Yes its limped pot and you have little invested but that doesn't really matter b/cs you have the best hand enough of the time to be shoving here each and everytime. Even if your behind the first guy you can win a sidepot vs the person who just called and probably has more like a set/two pair or a big ace with a heart. Honestly if your going to limp these kind of hands you shouldn't be folding when you flop the near nuts.

If you lose chalk it up to varience, but you can't be playing scared poker.

Great point vs good comp, but vs donks in a limp pot no.

Limp pots that get way to big for their own good are a bad players dream. They love the atmosphere of stacking good players in limp pots. 9high flush is a clear easy fold vs loose passive opponents in their realm(limp pots).

Thats the key difference though, we are not stacking off. We are putting 90BB's in a pot vs two opponents with a big made hand. We cover both villains, hero never actually tells us his stack size.

Well stack size would make things different, A call if we are 250+bbs.

Hero's stack size makes no difference here. Hero has them covered.



Easy fold. $2 invested. No reason to chase 1bb with 90 when you're probably beat. Without a killer read, fold. For sure.

We can't just get our chips in anytime we want and "chalk it up to variance" if we lose. As stated, could go either way here, wouldn't fault either a fold or a call and it's probably close, but people are wishfully thinking themselves into some scenario where both Villains always have dumb weak hands.

getting it in here in my mind is the equivilent of getting it in with like bottom set on a dry board. If I happen to run into someones top top range ie) set over set or flush over flush I would consider this to be "varience" and wouldn't think much more of it b/cs there are plenty of similar spots where you are way ahead.

and I would equate folding here exactly the same as folding bottom set in a limped pot on a dry board. Would you do that?