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OP- just curious/Not that it makes much difference but I assume there is some sort of drop in this room so the pot in most places is like $7 or $8 bucks OTF? What is the drop in this place in Stockholm?

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10-13-2011 , 05:56 PM

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You're ahead with the bottom set on the dry board way more often than you are here against two opponents with the 9-high flush here.

The times you're ahead with the bottom set, you generally have to fade few or no outs. Many of the times you're ahead here with the 9-high flush, you have to dodge a reasonably high number of outs.

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10-13-2011 , 05:57 PM

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ebarnet

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Nobody has pointed out that there are weaker flushes possible.

78hh 85hh 75hh 54hh 42hh 32hh

I highly doubt the nut flush, Qh flush, and T hi flush open ship.

The guy who calls can easily have AJ, KJ QJ 33 AT AQ as well as any flush we beat. Sure he could have us drawing dead, but we can have him drawing dead too. His speech is interesting. IDK what it means, but I would be shocked if he has Khi flush already.

In this spot, you have to ship it. Folding is outrageous. Holding the 6 hi flush is a much more interesting and arguable situation.

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10-13-2011 , 05:59 PM

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ozmosis313

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I assumed that was understood when I said that hero has the best hand here alot. Obviously 9 high flush on this board beats alot more hands than a 3 high flush. And if villains have higher flushes in their range then they also definately have sets, two pair and loser flushes.

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10-13-2011 , 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ebarnet

Nobody has pointed out that there are weaker flushes possible.

78hh 85hh 75hh 54hh 42hh 32hh

I highly doubt the nut flush, Qh flush, and T hi flush open ship.

We were just discussing this in another thread - why do you assume this is the case? Because it's non standard and doesn't make sense? Beware this line of thought.

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10-13-2011 , 08:53 PM

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au4all

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Originally Posted by AAlimper

Push Call Fold?

If, and I think this is actually optimistic for our hand:
1. One third of the time someone has a higher flush, you have zero equity
2. One third of the time someone has a higher flush draw and the other person has two pair, you have 54% equity.
3. One third of the time someone has a higher flush draw and the other person has a set, you have 42% equity.

then it's a fold. You're not quite averaging the 33% equity you need. But it's very close, and depends on the range of hands that you put your opponents on.

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10-13-2011 , 09:19 PM

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SirWolf

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Don't we have to weight the second villains hand closer to the flush/set range? I mean, it takes a better hand to call a bet than to bet, right?

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10-13-2011 , 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SirWolf

Don't we have to weight the second villains hand closer to the flush/set range? I mean, it takes a better hand to call a bet than to bet, right?

I actually weight him weaker than the shover. Unless he flopped the absolute nuts and is putting on some kind of hollywood show. But anyways based on his speeach and just calling it appears like never a made flush to me and often 2pair,set,or big pair +big draw. small flushes and possibly made flushes should shove over the top here to protect. Villain already has money in the pot so it's less likely he is smooth call trapping with some kind of monster than it is he thinks he has a nice hand/wants to win vs the player he called. I would probably expect to lose mp and win a large side pot as a typical result.

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10-13-2011 , 09:32 PM

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DemonDeac

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This is $1/2 live NL people. This is a snap call

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10-13-2011 , 10:49 PM

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2OutsNoProb

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Originally Posted by DemonDeac

This is $1/2 live NL people. This is a snap call

I see. Because all people at 1/2 NL live are mouth breathing droolers who know nothing about poker and never win because they play hands horrendously, and thats why they're at 1/2.

Except for the OP, despite being at the exact same table at the exact same time playing the exact same stakes as the aforementioned people.

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10-14-2011 , 08:27 AM

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BlaneH

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Call me a nit for but for 2 bucks and the proceeding action, I'm folding. I agree that player 2's speech and just flatting makes me believe he is on a big draw or big non-flushed hands.

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10-14-2011 , 10:24 AM

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AAlimper

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I was planning to snap call utg.. but decided to fold after CO showed his interest in the pot. Feel it`s hard to judge the strength of a flopped mid flush in a limped pot, because it`s a spot I don`t happen to be in very often.

Utg had 2h 3h
CO had Ad Kh (Yes, limped CO after 2 limpers)

Board bricked off (Result oriented)

Still made enough money in the game to pay for the entire weekend.

Rake was 10% max $12.

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10-14-2011 , 02:53 PM

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ozmosis313

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This is such a snap get it in it's not even funny. Most villains are looking to tarp here with the nuts at 1/2 especially with a shortstack in alimped pot. But they just openship into the pot rather than looking for a check raise at a table/board where likely someone in the hand has to at least bet. This is rather some kind of weak vulnerable I hope I have the best hand or decent combodraw as well. How on earth are you not happy to ship it in here vs these villains at 1/2. Come on is everyone a complete nit.

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10-14-2011 , 02:56 PM

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ozmosis313

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yea just red results not surprised at lower flushes eithor b/cs 2/3 they are looking at as extremely vulnerable baby flush. They are getting no value from much worse but not realizing it and will probably always check close to nutflush hands. Anyways gets the money in. My god if you happen to be coolered reload. If your properly bankrolled you can't even consider folding here.

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