Hero($170): Late 20's, haven't been playing many hands due to being card dead for hours. V1 had commented on the fact that I was quite and not being very active.

V1($250): Early-Mid 20's. A very splashy player that I've played with a few times. Doesn't hero fold and tends to call light.

V2($450): Mid 30's, new to the table, don't have any real reads on him and its likely that he doesn't have reads on the table either.

Hero calls with 910 UTG, the table was really passive and there was a great chance that it would get through with multiway action. V2 calls in LP and V1 calls in the SB, few other limpers.

Flop($12) 75J

V1 bets 13 out of the small blind. Hero calls, folds to V2 who makes it 50, V1 calls. Hero calls. This is the spot that I'm wondering it it was correct or not. I'm torn between raising V1's bet or if a call is fine and then if I should be jamming over V2's raise. Thoughts?

if we had the nut flush draw it would have changed things, but the UTG guy bets pot, followed by a raise after we flat him. Not liking this hand anymore, since we could be drawing dead.

I would have raised V1 on the flop.

I don't like limping in EP with this type of hand for this exact reason. You have no idea where you stand. It certainly is enticing to keep playing the hand, but you only have $15 total invested in this pot and don't even have a made hand yet. As played, I fold. PF, I will fold or make a raise to about $10. Once this flop comes out, you can make a solid c-bet about 2/3 the pot and go from there. It's not horrible to limp every now and again, but don't get married to your hand.....unless of course you flopped the nuts or second nuts.

Raising 10 pre would have only made the pot $50 with 4 callers. Table was folding much at all.

Are we assuming that V1 has a better flush draw then us? I would take my chance that V2 isn't 3-betting with a flush draw in a 1/2 game.

Ur play is fine. One advise, don't go nuts if you hit ur flush. If re raised once ur flush hits, it's almost always a fold

+1

Calling otf is fine i think but be careful if you hit ur flush and get a lot of resistance.

Anybody like jamming? If you think v1 is folding his flush draws i think this is a good play as people see you as very tight they will give you a ton of credit. I think you have a lot of fold equity here.

Edit: actually i dont like calling we get stacked too often when we hit.

Its either jam (if we think v1 is folding) or fold.

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I know a lot of players who would raise with AJs in that spot. V1 could easily have a flush draw, too.

I fold to the $50. The only card I really want to see is an 8, and not necessarily the 8s.

I would raise pre, too, but limping is OK if you know they all will. Just fold when you need to.

After just calling V1 on the flop, I don't think we have much fold equity, especially with our stack size. I think we have 0.

+1 Hero can't quite be drawing dead, if nothing else runner-runner straight flush will win. However, given the action I'm not interested in the hand any more either. Even if hero isn't facing a better hand and a bigger flush draw, hero's implied odds are now bad. The $50 kills hero's implied odds.

If you do want to play here, shove, you might get a weak better hand or flush draw to fold and improving hero's number of outs is a good result. This is not a good situation though, because you can easily be facing a flush draw with a Js that has you crushed.

Really? I disagree i think v1 is folding often. And we have huge equity against v2 whos range doesnt have many fds.

Live players dont like to stick 60bbs in on a draw whether they have the right odds or not doesnt really matter

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I considered shoving after the 50 was called by the SB but considered that there was zero fold equity vs V1 in the hand. It seems that the general thoughts are fold>shove>call. If SB re-raises are we ever trying to get it in on our draw or do we consider that he still might be doing it with spades?

We must play with different opponents. Almost every player I know who would call the $50 is calling for another $110 once V2 calls. If V2 shoves, that might get V1 out. Remember, V1 is splashy and calls light.

What do you think V2 has that he is raising a pot size bet and a call?

OP, if V1 had re-raised, I'm definitely gone (I would have folded to the $50).

Interesting that OP thinks V1 would call a shove by Hero but drowski thinks V1 will fold. What do you guys put these villains on?

Calling pre is pretty loose/spewy, with that said there may be some tables where it's ok (deep, passive, you have a huge edge). I don't think it's ever good/great though.

So some questions to ask are: Is V1 capable of leading with a FD? If yes, which FDs? Is V2 capable of raising a FD? TBH I don't think V2 is showing up here with a FD. I know our reads are limited on him, but it's going to be real hard for him to show up with draws here because of the action in front of him and we have the best combo draw ATM. I probably wouldn't worry about flush over flush possibilities vs him. If we run into that.. Cooler, bro.

V1 is splashy and calls light... If he has a better FD, bless his heart.

So obviously two ways we go about this... Shove and hope people fold (I don't think they are) or call to possibly stack two players/get extra dead manies when we hit.

In this specific scenario I like calling and having the chance of getting two players to get money in. A red 8 is a beautiful card and we will print money when it hits. Even if we make our flush we can still get paid.

Oh and if the flush hits.... Gii. Don't play it "cautiously."

UTG call is okay; I'd probably fold it but I like limping suited broadways UTG at passive tables and this is just one short of that.

On the flop, we have a great draw but our flush is not to the nuts and we don't have overs to suck out with. Our play is to raise the initial bet to $40. This is really strong with our tight image. We are pretty much repping only sets and monster draws on this board, but our hand is actually a little weaker than that, so we can often get better hands (sticky top pairs) to fold to a big turn barrel. We win the pot often enough here, and when we don't, we usually isolate ourselves in position against the SB, which is a great result.

I tend to raise or fold my draws unless they are to the nuts and IO is on our side. So the other option is to just fold the initial flop raise...but I don't like that at all because our equity here is great! So yeah, I definitely raise this to $40 on the flop.

The way we played our hand kinda turned it face up. We called twice and it looks like we are on a flush or straight draw, which kills our implied odds when the draws hit and increases our reverse implied odds. Since we didn't raise the initial flop bet the good play is to just fold to the $50 reraise.

Raise the initial $13 >> fold to the $13 >>>>> fold the $50 >> shove on the $50 >> call the $50

While 9T suited is a pretty hand, you're much better off playing this later in the rotation than early. That said if the table is passive and you won't face a raise then I suppose you can limp in some instances.

I would wonder a few things here, 1. What types of hands will villains lead for pot from the small blind and 2. what types of hands will a villain raise with after a pot size bet and a call?

I think you should be auto folding here unless you want to see both cards. The only way to guarantee that is to shove. But you won't have enough FE.

I don't see anything wrong with the limp pf. We have a multi way hand and we expect a limped multi way pot.

Fold on the flop to the 3! against the unknown villain. You might only have four outs here if V is paired with a higher FD.

I had a lot of the same thinking you did in this hand. I can't see V2 raising with a flush draw; I know its possible but very unlikely at 1/2.

V1 could have anything. I played a pot with him a few weeks back where he called me with bottom pair, on a 975 board and runner/runner a full house.

I thought about shoving over the 50, but was almost 100% sure that I was going to get called down and therefor it was a pointless move.

I talked this hand over with a poker buddy and we have two completely different views on ways to play it, it seems that people here also have a various ways to play it also.

Results? My husband and I have such differing opinions -- it's interesting to know what (who) we are up against.

Turn 4, V1 bets 100, hero is all-in for 118, V2 folds and V1 calls with J7:, river is a bank.

V2 didn't say what he had.

Rather than calling raises and re-raises when you're behind, hoping to hit lucky turn cards, start thinking about how to take advantage of Villains who are making the mistake of calling raises with J7o (if indeed your Villains are limp-calling trashy hands).

Board: 7s 5s Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.674% 37.68% 00.00% 6079909 0.00 { Ts9s }
Hand 1: 62.326% 62.33% 00.00% 10058475 0.00 { Js7c }