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04-25-2013 , 11:26 AM
Playing 1/2 with a $300 max buy in. Table has revolved around V1's play most of the night.

V1 Indian hyperlag - He is a doctor and doesn't care about the money. Habitually raises 50% of hands when in LP. He is actually quite good when on his A game. His stack tends to bounce wildly because he plays well when around $300 but gets stationary and spewy when he is winning. Was absurdly deep for a while after a lucky streak of big hands, but has given some of it back. $800

V2 Unknown fish - Middle aged white guy is the extent of my read. Limp/calls preflop. Has not been at table long, does not have a deep stack and is losing it pretty steadily. $45

V3 Unknown fish - Middle aged white guy, accent sounds french but I don't really know. Makes some very odd under bets and is generally stationary. Has made some money by calling down V1 with bottom pair. $350

Hero Middle aged white guy. I've played with V1 a few times but I don't know what he thinks of me. I've limp/called and then folded flop a lot with small pocket pairs, so I probably don't have a good image. Chipped up once to stay at full buy in vs V1. $305


UTG V3 limps
UTG+1 Hero has 9s9h and raises to $12
UTG+2 V1 calls
LP V2 calls
SB folds
BB folds
V3 calls

I was really trying to preemptively isolate V1 with $12 here. V1's raises don't get much respect but other raises have been. Didn't work as well as I had hoped.

Pot is $51
Fop is 6s4h3c

V2 checks
Hero bets $35
V1 calls
V2 ships for a bit less
V3 calls

Flop is an obvious bet. V1 could have flopped gin, but will also call with any piece of board, any draw and some back door draws. I didn't like V2 shipping and V3 calling though. V2 shipping does have the small advantage that it freezes V1 a bit, because it makes pure bluff steals worthless.

Pot is $188
Turn is 6h
V3 checks
Hero checks
V1 checks

The 6 froze everybody. V3 probably bets something with a 6 here and I'm sure I'm ahead of V1 when he checks here.

River is 8d
V3 checks
Hero checks
V1 checks

I'm really curious about the turn and river play here. On turn I figured to be losing a lot to V2 or V3, but I thought about betting to charge V1 for draws and setup a side pot. On river, I wasn't sure if betting or checking to induce was higher EV. There isn't much worse that can call river, but in a nearly dry side pot he isn't going to bluff often either.
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04-25-2013 , 11:30 AM
protected pot. check.
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04-25-2013 , 12:07 PM
your hh is messed up.. you say v2 is in lp but they he's first to act otf? then ott you have v3 acting first when he acted last otf?

bet turn, 6 is actually a good card for you

you can b/f river as well
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04-25-2013 , 12:22 PM
My rather arbitrary line for raising limpers is TT (although noting that TT can make the nut straight while 99 can't). I'd rather just overlimp and play brain dead easy poker postflop (i.e. setmine).

I think I'm cool with postflop up until the river. After all the turn checks, I think we have a bet/fold on the river. Pot is protected so Indian isn't ever going to bluff or bluff/raise. I'll admit, I can't find a lotta worse hands that pay off (77? 85? 87? crying call from 3x/etc?) but I take a shot at it anyways. I probably bet on the small side.

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04-25-2013 , 12:30 PM
WOuld have close to pot on flop.
Overpair, super-drawy board.
River put a value bet out there of 50. Not getting bluffed.
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04-25-2013 , 12:54 PM
probably just limp as well or make pot sweetener of 8-10 and set mine.

ap, i'm value betting the river
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04-25-2013 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SuqAta8
your hh is messed up.. you say v2 is in lp but they he's first to act otf? then ott you have v3 acting first when he acted last otf?
Yep, that should have been V3 checks.

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Originally Posted by SuqAta8
bet turn, 6 is actually a good card for you

you can b/f river as well
I was thinking about it on river, but on turn how is that a good card for me? V1 could easily have a 6 here but it is hard for me to have anything better then an overpair. My worry was that V1 is both aggressive and good enough that if I start a side pot he could shove with air to steal the side pot knowing full well that he is just recovering his investment in the main pot.

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
My rather arbitrary line for raising limpers is TT (although noting that TT can make the nut straight while 99 can't). I'd rather just overlimp and play brain dead easy poker postflop (i.e. setmine).
Usually my cutoff is around JJ but here I wanted to thin the field a bit. My thought here is that if I limp and V1 raises to $12, it is likely to go 5+ way to the flop but if I raise to $12 there is a decent chance of isolating. The disparity between V1's raising and everybody else was such that even the fish noticed.
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04-25-2013 , 10:57 PM
Turn is a good card for you, could probably bet it. If someone has a 6 you'll hear bout it quickly. River should be a good value bet; someone is all in so people will pay for showdown and you can safely fold if reraised.
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04-26-2013 , 12:44 AM
With one pair you are always vulnerable, especially in multiway pots. You should be willing to risk folding the best hand in a small pot so you can avoid losing a potentially big pot with a weak hand.

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04-26-2013 , 12:53 AM
thin value on the river.. def b/f if raised
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04-26-2013 , 10:57 AM
I would definitely value bet the river. fold to big reraise
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04-27-2013 , 12:19 AM
I am value betting the river. I don't mind the turn check.
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04-27-2013 , 12:30 AM
I like a small bet on turn to see where you are, and a b/f on river
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04-27-2013 , 07:45 AM
I can't expect many 4's to calls a bet on the river, bluffing in a protected pot 4 handed is pretty much unheard of. Trying to get value from 88 and 77? Maybe A4? We're B/fing and if V1 is hyperlag (doesn't seem it in this hand) he might try to push us off our hand thinking he's beat V2. Would hate to bet with the best hand ultra thin only to fold it.
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