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12-02-2015 , 10:45 AM
Same villain in both hands. Will raise preflop with 10J type hands, never seen him 3bet and usually limps about 25 % of the time at a table where raises are rare. Seems to be at least a semi regular. I've seen him bluff once when another guy bet check check to him.

Hero, been playing incredibly tight due to not having a hand. I've open raised preflop twice in 2 hours and took it down with a flop Cbet. Villain likely has taken note of this but not entirely sure if he has. Hero covers villain in both hands.

Hand 1: $85 effective stacks. Hero raises from EP to $12 with AKs, villain 3bets to $25 from MP. This raises two alarm bells. Villain has never 3 bet and he basically min 3bets. Hero calls.

Flop: KJ9 rainbow. I decide to donk bet $25 (looking back I'd prefer to bet a smaller amount). Villain re raises all in for $35 more. Hero?? In my head I'm thinking villain has shown strength preflop and flop so far. When he bluffed he hadn't shown any strength and was just taking advantage of the weakness shown by the other guy. I'm playing really tight and I'm not showing weakness. I know it's only $35 more into a $100 pot but in my mind the worse hand this guy shows up with is AK and my read is that he doesn't 3bet that. Villain knows it's only $35 more and I'm priced in to call so highly unlikely he's running a bluff.

Hand 2: effective stacks $100 as I haven't been able to buy more chips as this happened shortly after the previous hand.

Villain is Button and I'm MP. 6 limpers to the flop and I'm hold 87.

Flop:872 rainbow ($12 pot) Checks around to me and I bet $10 with top two. A few players at the table love seeing flops and turns so I'm expecting at least one call. Villain calls.

Turn ($32 pot) 10. Villain checks and I bet $20. Villain thinks about it and flats.

River ($72 pot). 6. I'm worried about a straight and a better two pair. I check hoping villain will check behind but he decides to bet $35... Hero?? I've seen villain bluff once before but that hand went bet, check, check to him. I'm showing strength again and he isn't going away.

Feedback appreciated! I feel like I've been playing well this week but just not getting cards! That being said is like to know if I played these hands well or misplayed them.
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12-02-2015 , 11:16 AM
Hand 1 - Your decision here is pre-flop. With $85 effective stacks, this is a shove or a fold. If your read is that V is never 3-betting worse than QQ here or 3-betting w/ AK, just fold. If you think he can be wider, shove.

As played, on the flop you have TPTK and only $60 back in a $50 pot. Never folding.

Hand 2 - Don't like limping with 87 and only $100 effective stacks in MP. Assume you were unsuited as well? Just fold. Limping would be OK if it limps around a lot and you were deeper.

Once you flop top two, you need to be thinking about how to get stacks in. I go $15 on the flop, on the turn pot is now $40 so you can bet $30 and set up an easy river shove. As played, think you have to call his river bet. How many 9s can he have that would call your flop bet?
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12-02-2015 , 01:43 PM
3 bets from villains who never 3 bet is almost exclusively AA/KK/QQ. I agree with MIB, this is a shove or fold. I'd lean towards a fold even though there are way more combos of QQ than AA/KK, these types of guys just have AA/KK most of the time.

Hand 2, fold preflop. I'm hoping it was suited. I sometimes limp these hand OTB or cutoff with crazy guys in looking to hit huge, but doesn't seem like this is the table for that. As played, I would have potted it on the turn but I doubt it matters. I think villain's hesitation on the turn tells me he probably has T9 and was thinking of raising you. I probably make a sigh fold, this looks like a value bet. The only reasonable hand you beat here is A8 that has turned his hand into a bluff, but most guys just check this back and hope its good. Since 65 rivered a pair I think he checks that back too.
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12-02-2015 , 02:26 PM
Hand 1-- agree with others that this is usually just a shove preflop. $85 is short effective stacks so honestly it's hard to make a significant mistake here no matter what you do with a hand as strong as AK. Also the fact that he isn't a total nit means he might just "fkit get it in" with worse, and even against a range of QQ/KK/AA/AK it isnt a gigantic mistake to get it in here.

That said, it's fine to fold and wait for a better spot too but understand you'll be folding incorrectly pretty often

OTF we hit our money card. Leading seems terrible since the hands we want to get value from like QQ can act pretty unpredictably here, from folding to your lead sometimes to shoving on top of it. I think the optimal line is to get stacks in by the end of the hand, or else you risk missing value from worse while paying off better since hands like AA are going to get it in 100% of the time.


Hand 2 -- limping here with 87 even if suited is a preflop leak due to stack size, but not a huge deal if you're a good postflop player.

when you see this flop you should be thinking about nothing else besides how to get it all in by the turn or river for most runouts. I'd bet 15 instead of 10 at the 1/2 level because people are calling with the same thing and makes it much easier to get your stack in later. The ten on the turn is a great card because it means T9 will continue almost no matter what you bet, and A8 is usually going to be stubborn enough to continue. Bet pot here.

The river is among the worst cards you could see. With better sizing on the flop and turn your options would pretty clearly be to check/fold or just shove since he'd feel pretty committed in that situation. But given you have a potsize bet left I think you can check/call to bluff catch or check/fold depending on reads.
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12-02-2015 , 09:44 PM
Thanks for the responses so far! I never considered folding hand 1 with AK for $13 more but I see the point about considering folding preflop since villain is showing strength... This is why I posted this hand as it will hopefully help me see a different option in the future!

Hand 2 was a strange one because players were passive at the table and paying off at least one street. I fold this hand half the time but people were paying off straights all night so was hoping to hit big (I know it's a leak). I was happy with the flop but I agree that bet sizing should have been better looking back.

I'll post results tonight or tomorrow.
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12-02-2015 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tightywhity
... Hero raises from EP to $12 with AKs, villain 3bets to $25 from MP. This raises two alarm bells. Villain has never 3 bet and he basically min 3bets. Hero calls.
3-bet is standard. Call isn't.

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Originally Posted by tightywhity
Villain is Button and I'm MP. 6 limpers to the flop and I'm hold 87.
This is somewhat bad. The default play for 87 offsuit is fold. If you want to play it from MP, don't limp. The reason for not limping is when you do it, you are helping those who haven't yet acted to play their hands correctly against you.

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12-03-2015 , 06:49 PM
Hand 1: snap it off. You were committed when you called the 3bet. Could of just shipped it pre and you've flopped pretty hard for your hand you can't fold top top for 35 more. Also he doesn't have to have AA or KK or a bluff. He could be value betting all his 3bet range here. Also depending on how tight you were playing villain can't put you on only AK AA and KK to call his 3bet.
You also have blockers to AA and KK so if he did have aces here it's just a cooler. Don't be results orientated and move on.
Hand 2: fold pre. If you're going to be playing really tight aggressive style. Don't limp behind. If you want to play 87s from MP at least raise it pre and keep the pressure on villain. AP call. smashed the flop and its got SDV even with 4 cards to a straight. Also getting a sick price.
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12-03-2015 , 06:56 PM
Grunch:

Hand 1, for 40bb I'm jamming AKss. If not, I would rather fold though TBH for that price it's very difficult to do so. Really this is a jam.

Postflop, not to be douchey but I stopped reading after the first sentence. You are totally committed after calling preflop and hitting gin. Given the 3bet, this is a very easy x/shove over cbet play. Don't know why you donked but now you did just get it in.

Hand 2, seriously, what was the preflop action and are your cards suited or not?! These things matter. I'm turbo-folding 87o preflop, 87ss I might call but only if the table is super passive and has a couple of limpers ahead. AP you hit, you start betting which is good. I would bet a smidge more OTT. River - is a flush possible? Suits matter. I probably x and call a bet of this size, fold to a bigger one.

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12-04-2015 , 06:56 PM
Here's what happened on the hands.

Hand 1: I fold and villain shows a set of J's.

Hand 2: villain has 96 for a straight on the turn. I realize 87o should be folded preflop so I'll plug that leak
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