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12-03-2015 , 03:19 PM
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V1 is a loose/passive fish, calling down light but also making bad folds. Just bad $180

V2 is a very loose reg. who plays very well postflop (though passive). Definite winning player, possibly a crusher. $1K

V3 is a decent reg, kinda loose, a bit passive pf, winning player. $300

V4 is a super loose gambley player. Not terrible postflop. $1K

V5 has $35

Hero has a snug TAG image. His raises have been getting a lot of respect. $550

Hero opens AA UTG to $15, V1-4call, V5 shoves, hero?

*Obviously 4 betting. Sizing? Logic behind specific sizing?
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12-03-2015 , 03:24 PM
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$150. It's about a pot-sized reraise. It encourages V1 to shove, which allows you to pop it again if any other V's call. If you only get one caller, the pot will be about $400 and you can shove any flop.
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12-03-2015 , 03:32 PM
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$150. It's about a pot-sized reraise. It encourages V1 to shove, which allows you to pop it again if any other V's call. If you only get one caller, the pot will be about $400 and you can shove any flop.
hero can't raise if V1 shoves but the sizing is about right maybe a little less. I don't want to go multiway OOP vs all of these players and raising too little might start the domino effect.
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12-03-2015 , 03:46 PM
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hero can't raise if V1 shoves
Right.
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12-17-2015 , 02:46 AM
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Didn't read other replies,

78$ sets up an spr of 2 if one player calls but it's too cheap. I want to make it enough that V1 just spazz shoves with 99-QQish but not too much so that he thinks he's beat, maybe like 110$ or 120$ so his 165$ going in seems stronger.

edit: no idea what play big is talking about.
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12-17-2015 , 03:04 AM
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$125 and not folding at any point. Looks squeezey like you want to iso the shorty. Sets up stack off SPR.
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12-17-2015 , 04:17 AM
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Given we are likely building a stack off spr, do we need to be thinking about giving the big stacks worse than 10:1 implied odds? I don't think either of these guys are stacking off with top pair.
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12-17-2015 , 06:01 AM
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Given we are likely building a stack off spr, do we need to be thinking about giving the big stacks worse than 10:1 implied odds? I don't think either of these guys are stacking off with top pair.
Well sure but that's pretty easy. We have 535 behind, meaning we only have to make it 53.5$ more to lay anyone the wrong odds on us, only 16.5$ more to lay the wrong odds on V1, and 28.5 more to give V3 the wrong odds. Cumulatively thats 98.5$ more = 113.5$ --> make it 115$ minimum here.

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12-17-2015 , 08:03 AM
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Given we are likely building a stack off spr, do we need to be thinking about giving the big stacks worse than 10:1 implied odds? I don't think either of these guys are stacking off with top pair.
No.

If we raise to $125, the pots move to $220 and they have to call $110. To get 10:1 maximum odds, they need to win an additional $780 pot flop. You have $425 left. That means they need you and 1-2 other players to go all in along with them. Think about how often you've seen 3-4 people put in 100BB+ on the flop all in.

And if you do see this regularly in your game, don't let the rest of the forum know where. You have the juiciest 1/2 game on the planet.
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12-17-2015 , 09:22 AM
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*Obviously 4 betting. Sizing? Logic behind specific sizing?
$90

- cuz it's more inviting than $100+ (serious bizness @ 1/2)
- if they all fold that's obv disastrous
- i want the option of reraising over a shove by V1 & any call(s)

not particularly worried if it goes multiway as long as OP has the two bigstacks' tendencies pegged correctly
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12-17-2015 , 10:35 AM
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The odds of anyone shoving over an UTG open/4! are exactly 0%. (I know, odds !== percent)
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12-17-2015 , 02:21 PM
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...I don't want to go multiway OOP vs all of these players and raising too little might start the domino effect.
Why are you afraid of going multiway when we have aces? Pretty sure it is a good thing when other players put lots of money into the pot when we have the best hand. What specific criteria would make the raise size ''too little''?

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Given we are likely building a stack off spr, do we need to be thinking about giving the big stacks worse than 10:1 implied odds? I don't think either of these guys are stacking off with top pair.
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No...
No to the theory?

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78$ sets up an spr of 2 if one player calls but it's too cheap.
What specifically makes it ''too cheap''?
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12-17-2015 , 03:34 PM
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V1 is a loose/passive fish, calling down light but also making bad folds. Just bad $180
Anyone really think V1 shoves anything? Loose/passive fish who calls down light and folds is going to shove over all that other action? By the description, he calls or folds, so he's not going to be pushing the action.

V2 or V4 may put pressure to isolate.
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12-17-2015 , 04:48 PM
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Why are you afraid of going multiway when we have aces? Pretty sure it is a good thing when other players put lots of money into the pot when we have the best hand. What specific criteria would make the raise size ''too little''?





No to the theory?



What specifically makes it ''too cheap''?
Aces are only a 17%(?) favorite against any random hand by the river. Start adding more random hands and your odds start to drop pretty significantly. You ideally want 1 or 2 other people in the hand not 3+.

If you don't raise enough preflop you give everyone acting behind you possible implied odds to catch a better hand postflop and stack you.
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12-17-2015 , 05:38 PM
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Aces are only a 17%(?) favorite against any random hand by the river. Start adding more random hands and your odds start to drop pretty significantly. You ideally want 1 or 2 other people in the hand not 3+.

If you don't raise enough preflop you give everyone acting behind you possible implied odds to catch a better hand postflop and stack you.
thats wrong, prob the other way round, 83%
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