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01-05-2015 , 09:26 PM
1/2 Hard Rock Casino

Hero: 20's white male. Been at the table for about an hour. No real hands, calling some of the $5 straddles because no one is raising them but missing on the flop so giving up. Image is probably irrelevant for this hand anyways. Stack: $250

Villain: +40's white male. Been at the table since I've been here, but haven't played many hands, just limping or calling a straddle to fold on flop. He has his chips stacked oddly in 25's and hasn't been very interested in the action at the table, leaning back with his arms crossed most of the time till it's his turn to fold. Stack: $120

On to the hand!

BTN straddles for $5, Villain in SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 makes it 12, MP calls, Hero in CO calls with KQ, BTN calls, Villain calls, BB folds.

Flop: Q39
Pot: ~$60

Villain bets out 15, folds to Hero who looks to left and BTN has already folded out of turn. Hero calls.

I was trying to decide on raising or just flatting, and I came to the conclusion with his stack size and pot that I could easily get stacks in on the turn or river and there wasn't any draw I was very afraid of beyond JT.

Turn: Q393
Pot: ~$90

Villain snap pushes his stacks in for 93, Hero...?
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01-05-2015 , 10:24 PM
If this is the first time he has shoved I would fold. If he has a does this a couple of times in a row I might consider a call. But, as played looks like a fold to me.
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01-05-2015 , 10:39 PM
fold pre. stacks are not deep and we have a shorty in the hand, plus KQo is bad and since the action is still open, we are in a tough spot if somebody raises behind.

ap, flop call is ok but why suddenly this passive guy is getting so aggressive? what range of hands do we beat QJ, QT, TJ and beats us AQ, Q9, 3x...

I fold due to his sudden aggression.
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01-05-2015 , 11:39 PM
I think your calling for a chop at best, QJ is the only hand you beat.
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01-06-2015 , 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bombonanza

ap, flop call is ok but why suddenly this passive guy is getting so aggressive? what range of hands do we beat QJ, QT, TJ and beats us AQ, Q9, 3x...

I fold due to his sudden aggression.
This seems really nitty to me. 'Flop call is okay'?? We have top pair with a great kicker, it's pretty hard to make a pair in poker. Id be happy to call flop, possibly raise for value. Villains normally telegraph their hand strength by betsizing, and betting 1/4 pot is usually worse than TP no kicker. Villain probably almost never has AQ, KK, AA here and he maybe only has Q9 and 3X for value that beat us. We have a blocker to a Q, and he probably plays maybe A3s or K3s. Otherwise villain could maybe be spewing with JT or making a weird shove with worse Q's. I think calling or folding is close.
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01-06-2015 , 11:42 AM
Need stack size and info about UTG +2 that raised to 12.

Honestly first thought that comes to mind for me is a 3bet to 40 or 45 pre with plan to fold to 4bet. 12 on top of 5 straddle is lol small bet sizing. Nice spot to pick up some dead money in the middle. If called you have a playable hand in position against probably only 1 opponent.



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Last edited by ZippyThePinhead; 01-06-2015 at 11:50 AM.
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01-06-2015 , 11:49 AM
Grunch:

A fit-or-fold MAWG jammed into you on a dry flop out of the SB in a raised pot. His range is sets and broadways. If you think he's getting frisky with QJ/QT (I don't), this is a marginal call. Versus your run-of-the-mill nit, I fold. I'd wager this is AQ or at best a chop. I think he checks back QJ/QT OTT once you flat.
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01-06-2015 , 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Grunch:

A fit-or-fold MAWG jammed into you on a dry flop out of the SB in a raised pot. His range is sets and broadways. If you think he's getting frisky with QJ/QT (I don't), this is a marginal call. Versus your run-of-the-mill nit, I fold. I'd wager this is AQ or at best a chop. I think he checks back QJ/QT OTT once you flat.
Yeah, more or less agree.

When a MAWG comes out of the blinds firing into the preflop raiser, I just can't see him as described going HAM with QJ or QT here. At best, it's a chop.

So I just fold.

Incidentally, I'm just not a big fan of calling preflop raises from EP players with KQ in 1/2nl. that is a sure fire ticket to value town population us

I'd rather you 3-bet or fold pre to be honest.
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01-06-2015 , 09:47 PM
As played the SPR is pretty small.

As played I think we have to call, we only have to be good a third of the time.

But the discomfort of this spot arises from our play up until the river.

Some posters want us to fold KQo and some want us to be more aggressive post flop.

Either approach and the hand plays better for us.
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01-07-2015 , 11:36 PM
Thanks for the replies

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero folds. Guy goes "god damnit" and tosses his cards across the table, so I think it's safe to say I was beat.
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