7-handed $1/$2. V1 won a big pot previously and posts the $5 kill UTG.

Villian info:
V1 / Maniac - drunk and playing any two from any position. If unopened will open to $20 with nearly any two. If hits any part of the board or has a draw will continue to the river in most cases. Is on 2nd buyin.

V2 / Passive - loose pre but straightforward post. Will usually not continue past flop with at least TP but have seen him overplay top pair and draws many times. Bought in for $100 and is on a heater.

Our image - TAG and tilting.

Hand Information

Table Information
Seat: 1 seat 1 ($200) Small Blind
Seat: 2 seat 2 ($198) Big Blind
Seat: 3 V1-maniac ($270)
Seat: 5 seat 5 ($200)
Seat: 6 V2-Passive ($325)
Seat: 8 seat 8 ($200)
Seat: 9 Hero ($315) Dealer KK


Preflop (Pot:3)
maniac****POSTS KILL $5
seat 5****FOLD
tightpassive**CALL $5
seat 8****FOLD
hero****RAISE $22
seat 1****FOLD
seat 2****FOLD
V1-maniac****CALL $17 [given that he was already in for $5, this could be ATC]
V2-tightpassive****CALL $17 [his calling range is fairly wide here]

Flop(Pot: $57)
10 9 8

V1-maniac****BET $35
V2-ightpassive**CALL $35
Hero....?


Seems like a no-brainer raise - but how much?
What's our plan on the turn - shove any brick?

Strangely, i flat for pot-control purposes and re-evaluate the turn.

Flat and re-evaluate as well. those types of boards multiway kill over pairs.

If we flat - what's the plan on the turn brings:

- a club
- a 9 or J
- an Ace
- a brick comes but V1 and/or V2 bet?

Pot will be $162 OTT with effective stacks at $220ish. There are 18 cards in the deck that we don't want to see peel off. If we call here are we not essentially just paying $35 to give up on the hand? Seems unlikely that it's going to go check/check OTT.

I flat/ reevaluate.

If we raise/get it in we are never crushing unless donk gets it in with like KT

V1 can and will get it in / call all-in with 10x or a hand like Q 5. He is that bad and is just there to gambooool.

That is really the crux of this post - given that we have a cash machine spewtard in the hand should our aim be to get stacks in or play it safe due to V2 and the wet flop?

If villain will always raise ATC if limped to him, then the LRR is the obvious preflop play here, IMO. Preflop I call on the button and hope villain raises, and then if he's a real idiot I might even LRR shove and hope for the call. As played, I probably raise a little more since this is a straddled pot and maniac ain't never folding his straddle for a few more $, and other villain seems loose too.

I don't think flop is a "no-brainer" raise at all, noting that any raise will basically get us very quickly on the road to having 150 BB committed with just an overpair. This is a pretty terrible flop vs two people interested in the hand. I cautiously call and then re-evaluate on the turn, using our position to hopefully be able to get away from our hand if we have to. If a blank comes on the turn and it's checked to me, I probably bet/fold 1/2 pot (ETA: although I've just noticed stack sizes will be kinda awkward here for this).

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For everyone advocating just a call, what cards are "blanks" to you on the turn?

I think sometimes you just get a crappy flop no matter how good your hand is preflop. I'm definitely in pot control here. If it was heads up then I'm getting it in especially vs bad player. With 2 players in and so many bad cards to come why would I raise and make a huge pot with players that aren't likely to fold?

Part of me thinks flat for pot control part thinks raise cause we are probably ahead and part says shove as we might get called by an 8 or 10 out draw here. Stack sizes are awkward. Blah.

Very few, but that's what happens when one of the worst flops comes. You could even argue for a fold on flop multiway imo, though that may seem extremely nitty it gives you an idea of how easily we'll probably get out of the hand on the turn. Feels good to be in position here.