i think if he bets big on river its a fold though he would not value bet JJ TT QQ with a big bet

and would not be bluffing flop with a small raise

as played you cant fold anywhere maybe flop if you had reads that he flats all OP but your line cant be bad in general people often raise like this to see where they are at or protect their hand with worse
(not saying its good logic)

plus this flop doesnt have a ton of 2 pair combos

Grunching.

We are playing against an aggro donk. Someone who is unlikely to realize your playing an abc rock game. We only have one pair (but against a donk this is a monster) he could have a strait draw, op, combo pair SD, either of which he will go for stacks with otf. We want to play this fast and get it in preferably otf

Lead flop $30 if/when he raises make a huge RR.

Sure he could show up with a set, but F it. He pays you off with so many inferior hands. Occasionally the donk makes a set.

I'm not so sure chop. Were talking aggro donk here. Unless op has tagged villian wrong. But aggro donks stack off here as light as A9 even 78. And certainly with 10's or JJ.

Let's compare ranges. V1 is described as more passive than aggro according to what I read. He 'can' bluff, but has also been calling down postflop with SDvalue hands. My initial reaction is that 3betting flop here doesn't elicit a shove over by worse, it gets called by better.

If he's loose/passive pre, his range could be anything close to: 22+,A2s+,K6s+,Q7s+,J7s+,T7s+,96s+,86s+,75s+,64s+,5 3s+,43s,32s,A8o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T8o+,98o. Maybe tighter, but who knows.

Our flop bet elicits a raise here. What would feasibly raise us? Remember, he's not that bluffy, but can, according to the read. I can see a range of: QQ+,99,66,44,A9s,T7s,98s,96s,87s,75s,64s,53s+,43s, T8o.

If we 3bet over that, what part of that calls/shoves? Likely almost all of it does one or the other and very little folds... I took out T8 and 98s.

How do we look vs this range? We are flipping with no FE.

Board: 9c 6s 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.836% 49.86% 00.98% 25172 495.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 49.164% 48.18% 00.98% 24328 495.00 { QQ+, 99, 66, 44, A9s, T7s, 96s, 87s, 75s, 64s, 53s+, 43s }


This is why I don't like it. I don't think we have as much an edge if we just wait for a turn card and let him keep putting money in behind....if we think he can bet his draws. If he can't bet his draws (he's largely passive), it can be argued the raise on the flop is a fold. 3betting is my least favorite option because the portion of his range that raises never folds to a 3bet with the pot getting this big.

My problem with this line is that we are committing with a terrible SPR without a made hand. The whole point of my line was to minimize losses while behind and get the most value when I am ahead. I don't think a flop RR accomplishes this because I think the only hands that play back at my 3bet are nut hands. He will most likely fold out all hands that I am ahead of. Also as you saw from chopper's post above, my equity against his perceived range isn't terrific. This is a way ahead/way behind spot and I didn't feel like guessing, so I played it somewhat conservatively. This isn't to say that I don't play hands fast (because I rarely don't) but I just didn't think that this was a solid plan considering there was still a lot of money left to play with and I didn't improve on the flop.