10-handed $1-$2 game.

Folded to EMP, who has ~$300 behind and makes it $7. He's LAG preflop but more LP postflop.

I have ~$110 for some reason and flat right behind him with KK. Normally of course I would re-raise, but there's been a fair amount of 3-betting at this table from players behind me and I thought given my stack size calling gave me the best chance of getting it all in preflop (definitely a mistake not to re-raise or maybe ok?).

Button (a TAG, I think, but I can't really read him / am somewhat afraid of him / am pretty sure he's better than me) cold-calls, BB (a solid winning but somewhat predictable and very tight TAG) also calls. They both have about $500.

Flop is KhT6r. BB checks, PFR checks, I bet $15, button calls, BB calls, PFR folds.

Turn is 2h. BB checks again, I check (???), button checks behind.

River is Jo, BB checks. I have about $90 behind, pot is about $75. I think for a while and bet....$20???

holy cow
Buy in full, raise pre, bet more on flop, bet turn, as played I'd just make $40 to $45, hoping to get called by a weak king (especially after my turn check) and raised by rivered two pair.

Basically just do the opposite of everything you did.

ie.

3-bet PF (don't flat)

Checking the turn is absolutely ridiculous. You have two callers!!! You think they're both just folding to a bet on the turn!?!? Just f***ing bet. Half of your stack is okay ($45).

As played, the river bet is a joke. This whole hand is a joke.

buy in full.

raise pre.

bet more flop.

bet more turn.

shove river.


how exactly do you have 9,000 posts? This play is bad.

3 bet pre to 2.5 - 3x next time. Continue on most flops especially when you spike your K for set. Your goal here was to get your 110 in the middle by the river.

I think u played it great up untill the river. I would check here because they can have AQ and we can never be too careful. We don't have the nuts here and we don't want to get check raised and go broke with only 3 of a kind!

is this serious? we have a little over a PSB left over OTR with top set against two opponents and you want to check because there is one hand that beats you? And yes, I am willing to go broke with 55 BB with top set with this board all day.

b/call $45-50

I would never joke about trup kings....

of course.


looks like a c/f.

op, admit u messed up this hand and have lots to learn

It looks like your message is there's too much fancy play in the forum lately and the foundation of profits in poker comes from value betting strong hands. Well played?

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+1

My thinking is the play got worse street by street. Occasionally flatting if you feel it may be 3! Behind you isn't that big of a mistake, without the read that it will be 3! behind you fairly often you should just 3! yourself to 2.5x-3x.

On the flop, again mistake is a little worse then preflop but not crazy terrible given your stack size. But 4 way to the flop for $7 pre? So ~$30 in the pot and you bet 1/2 pot... I'd probably size a little more so a turn shove would be in line if I got 1-2 callers.

Turn as played, you got 2 callers @ $15 so 3x$15 plus the preflop money in the pot, about $75, enough to shove you're remaining stack of $88 in as a slight overbet or at least bet a pot committing amount of $45-50, why are you checking here?

River, should already have had the money in here, but as played, just shove or at least bet closer to the pot.

We had a premium holding that we played weak tight for minimal value. Ugh!

When we make top set on the flop, in a multiway pot, I usually try to just assume that at least one of my opponents has enough to play for stacks and structure my bets accordingly, even if that means an overbet on the flop, which with your stack size wasn't necessary. If everyone folds to your flop bet, you weren't destined to make a lot of money on the hand regardless. But over the long run you will make more by playing for stacks than trying to milk small value bets/trap/slow play on those times when someone does have a hand big enough to tangle with you.

PF ... Not bad thinking here based on table dynamic ... they just didnt come through for you with a 3-bet. Were you part of the 3-betting in previous hands? You dont really give us any information on how you play - your image?

Flop ... AP .. You want to bet a bit more here so you can put your stack in on Turn without it being too much of an overbet.

If you were deeper then you could possibly check this Flop with top set and see what happens. Since you have top set you want to give anyone who may have hit the Flop a chance to bet. This is not that good of a board for action yet. Your hand is obv well hidden so far but being OOP to 2 other players will make it hard to hide your holdings once we get to the Turn.

Turn .. AP .. You need to bet here. At least 50% of your stack. You got 2 callers on the Flop. There is no reason to slow down here and let them draw for free when you are so short stacked. As indicated above, this bet shouldve been for your stack with a properly sized Flop bet. By checking this Turn OOP you are now forced to over-bet the pot on the River when you might be beat or will scare away the other players

River ... AP .. I actually like this bet (as played, not normally), maybe a sniff bigger to $27-$30. This gives the look of a weak hand and opens up the door for someone to put you all-in as a bluff or get a couple of crying calls from Jx. The J is really a bad card since any bet from you will look weak and the J is an over-card to any Tx that an opponent held onto from the Flop. It is possible the other K is out there, but I think we wouldve heard from it on the Turn.

Your plan PF didnt work (ok sometimes that happens) ... Your Flop bet didnt set up you up very well for your stack going to the Turn (mistake #1) ... Checking the Turn when you had customers on the Flop AND still not setting your stack up for getting it in on River AND letting them see a card for free (mistakes 2, 3 & 4) ... River 'call me' bet slightly too small and since you are OOP they can get away as you have now the look of a weak K since the J didnt scare you from betting (mistake 5). You WILL be calling all raises/shoves on the River and now are going to be behind most of the time (mistake 6).

Since you did decide to check the Turn I think you would have been better off checking the River as well to induce some sort of bet ... especially with the J being over the T.

Stick with poker ... you will get better at these situations the more hands you play. GL

Tough to get paid here by a table of tight regs who presumably know you so I think you're fine up until the turn where you should bet small, say $25, yes they fold many times but you'll prob get at least one to come along, still likely extracting more than checking.

either table change or use that pot to buy a round for the table :-)

Thanks for your replies everyone. I happily admit I made many mistakes in this hand and I have lots to learn.

Both opponents folded to my $20 river bet. After the hand another guy at the table was like, ha nice bluff. The button was like, nah he had top set.

I check and call a small bet (no more than $23), he probably has AQ or Q9 though

Made me LOL really hard. Hilarious sir.

How do you have almost 9k posts and still play this badly?

ha, fwiw/just to be clear I wasn't afraid of being beat on the river

I know it must seem baffling now, but don't worry, you'll understand when you grow up

How about we keep it civil? Maybe his posts are all in BBVForLife or something.

I like 3betting flop, especially at a table where there's already a fair amount of 3betting. Maybe someone is getting sick of it.

I said this in another thread recently, when we've finally got AA/KK, we want big pots. Big hand/big pot and all that. Playing AA/KK weakly gives us big hand/small pot, which we don't like.

If you feel like you need to hide your AA/KK, then play some other hands like they're AA/KK. Now AA/KK are hidden.

I thought I would share my thought process during this hand, such as it was, without trying to pretty it up with the benefit of hindsight.

PF: this is the only pair above 66 I've had in four hours, and I'm desperate to get action. The players behind me are all solid -- at least a couple of them are winning 2-5 regs -- and I'm afraid that they will not give any aaction to a re-raise from EMP, especially since I haven't 3-bet much at all. So I flat, hoping - rather than expecting - that someone behind me will bump it. I am aware that if this does happen I have a nice stack size for a shove, and that the loose PFR will likely come along. I think I underestimate the downside & likelihood of multiple cold calls behind me because of wishful thinking, and also fail to consider that the loose PFR would likely give me action if I 3-brt.