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11-08-2012 , 01:11 PM

BenT07891

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Reads: Villain is young, asian, fairly loose preflop, and fairly passive post flop. Not extremely loose/passive, but slightly more loose/passive than an average player.

He limps UTG. I make it $10 with K

. CO, SB, and villain calls. I have $70 left and pot is $42. Flop comes 7

. This is probably the third worst flop for kings (worst being an ace comes and 2nd worst being a more connected flop like 765 monotone).

Villain bets $15. Standard ship right?

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11-08-2012 , 02:16 PM

fogodchao

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raise is way too small pre. When playing short, your goal should be to raise to an amount that will get you heads up or 3 way to the flop which will make for an easy shove.

AP ship

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11-08-2012 , 02:19 PM

slimshady1999

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Raise pre is fine based on your starting stack. I'd make it $10-12 pre which u did do. As played ship the flop. Ur stack is too short to fold especially wih the pot size

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11-08-2012 , 02:40 PM

QuadJ

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After a limper the raise pre should have been a bit bigger, but $12-$15 would have been fine. In any case, you have to shove this flop with your stack. Your most likely still ahead, your stack is too short to bet/fold and you need to charge any flush/straight draws.

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11-08-2012 , 03:33 PM

The Rumor

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It feels like a pretty standard shove to me. Short stack poker.

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11-08-2012 , 03:47 PM

SuqAta8

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Standard get it in, hopefully just get called by AcX

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11-08-2012 , 03:51 PM

wj94

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Ship it, never folding KK for less than $100 when there's no ace on the flop.

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11-08-2012 , 04:20 PM

gobbledygeek

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I'd rather not go 4ways to the flop, but with our so small stack its actually not the end of the world. Still, I'd raise way more preflop so that I can get all the chips in quicker.

I ship the flop. We have an overpair on a drawy board with an SPR < 2. And the only raise size that makes sense to the bet is a ship.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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11-08-2012 , 04:48 PM

NOLAGrinder

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 43

Grunch.

Are you playing SS strategy? If so, bet way more PF ($15-$20). Hand plays itself out from that point. If not, we might want to be buying in for more.

As played, we shove. He will call with TP+FD or a small over pair. I don't think he's ever leading into this flop with a flush. Usually donk leads on this type of board is indicative of a flush draw or a small over pair like 8s, 9s, Ts, even Js that want to "protect."

If he shows up with a flush, that's variance. Unless he flips over a better hand, I think we have to shove here.

Shove>Raise>Call>Fold

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11-08-2012 , 04:55 PM

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SaintTino

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Raise more pre. Ship flop.

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11-08-2012 , 10:10 PM

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stepierc

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Play with bigger stack

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11-08-2012 , 11:55 PM

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MJ12345

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 31

raise more pre. as played, i fold. if your flop jam gets called, your hoping for a flip against 1 big club. The rest of the time, you're in rough shape.

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11-09-2012 , 12:54 AM

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savva86

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yes ship it

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