*** I AM NOT OOP IN THIS HAND***

10pm - Friday, busiest time of the week, 8 handed

Table has been pretty tight as players often go out for smoke, leaving 4-5 players behind. This is the second hand since all players come back to table

V (£450) - Mid 20s grinder, I know he has just come back from a smoke in the carpark (Left table for over 40mins), so he was probably pretty high. One hand ago V just called a £200 VS an aggro reg all in on flop A7Xdd, Turn K and river J. Aggro Reg had QJdd and took the pot with 1 pair, V clearly looked pissed off.

Hero (£600) - Started playing 1 hour ago, have been solid and took down couple of small, medium pots, good image (But V wouldn't know as he was away). Layed down a hand earlier when AR bet pot on turn, my read told me he was FOS, AR said he had a set and promised he would show. He showed me a bluff and table praised me for the read.

Anyway.....


Hero dealt KK in HJ, Aggro Reg straddled to £5

V limps 5, folded to me, raised to £20, folded to AR who calls, V calls.

(£63)

Flop

996

Checks to me, I bet £50, AR folds, V calls

(£163)

TURN

5

V checks, Hero bets £75, V raises to £180

At this point there are 2 range V could have, one is that I am drawing to 2 to 4 outs (66, 78 or 9x) and another combo drawing range where I would be roughly 70-80%

I think this is a jam or fold spot, what do you think?

Comment on all streets welcome!

I think we should size a little bigger preflop 25 or 30 but I like the flop and turn sizing well played.

That hand from one hand ago is super weird. It sounds to me like V might have had 1010 or FD.

I think hes almost never calling your flop bet AND checking the turn with a 9 because of the spades, the only hand that should usually be crushing here is 78.

Turn check raises are usually very strong in llsnl and we need to strongly reexamine our one pair hands, but I think that last hand says a lot about V, hes willing to gamble and right now this particular villian is tilted and high and this is the perfect spot for him to pull a move with a flush draw (most likely. especially 34ss) or MAYBE stuff like 77/88/A6/34o.

Its close but Id pile it in. nh

With a straddle and a limp, I'm going a bit more preflop unless the table is tight.

Flop bet is fine and turn is OK, though I would check some of the time on turn exactly to keep an aggressive player from bluffing with a draw. As played you have to soul read your villain and go with it. I slightly favor fold in general, but any history you have with villain makes a big difference. How often does villain bluff and/or semibluff? How bad of a draw will he semibluff on the paired board?

Hard to say how applicable that is to the current situation.

In this case the turn completed draws rather than set-up new draws. Is that what happened last time?

In this case the Villain is raising 1/3rd pot begging for a call, rather than potting it begging for a fold.

On the flop I think your bet is too large. The board is very dry and it's hard to get called by worse.

Wouldn't this guy raise pre with 66+ in this spot? Especially if he's tilted? TT seems extremely un-likely to me. And if he were going to get crazy with a flush draw, why wait until the turn? It looks to me that you are including a bunch of hands in his range the I would expect to just call a turn bet, not raise especially given he apparent calling station tendencies in the A7x hand. Why would he turn 77/88/A6 into a bluff all of a sudden? and 34o? really? Not sure if you smoke or not, but I would tend to think that being really baked would make you less inclined to pull off a crazy c/r bluff, or at least that is how it effects me although I don't smoke then go play cards.

I feel like Villain can definitely play 9x this way, in addition to 87. Given the fact that he limp called pre, those hands seem likely to me. Going to have to lean towards folding in this spot. As others have mentioned, raise bigger pre.

Fold

With these stacks, with a straddle and a limper, preflop I'd be making it 25-35. If everyone is routinely folding for that amount, I open my preflop raising range. Two callers isn't the worst in this spot, but building a pot with KK in position isn't bad here. Making it bigger pre will make it easier to stack your opponent.
On the flop, I like the bet, like the sizing.
On the turn, I think you can check in position. Yr hand has a lot of value as a bluff catcher if a spade doesn't hit but the action and the board are making it hard to believe you can bet and get called by worse.
Given the small pf raise, any 9 and 87 are in Vs range. I'd check turn and look to bluff catch most rivers.
As played, I think you have to fold to this check raise. He might be bluffing you but you might also be drawing to two outs and if you call here, you have to expect V is going to bomb the river. Calling here means you're calling a big river bet. I don't know if jamming is the best play bc V could correctly fold a worse hand and always call you with a 9 or a straight. Jamming might get a fold from a flush draw but you might make more money calling and then calling his river jam, which, unless V is really playing a weird line, he's going to shove almost every river card.

Bet less on the flop. Check turn. As played fold, turn c/r on paired board after you bet twice is pretty strong. They aren't doing that with a smaller overpair.

I am so sorry guys, I made the post at 2am and got the info completely mixed up, I was actually in SB when AR straddled to £5.

I was OOP the whole way.

I led out £75 on turn and V raised to £180

Does this make any difference to your opinion?

Maybe I should have gone slightly bigger pre, totally agree with the second statement, therefore I was not prepare to just call and c/c or c/f river.

Bet more pre, fold turn

I am going to post result since there are divided opinions