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08-29-2011 , 12:56 AM
I'm new to live this is only my second night since black Friday. Got into a semi interesting spot vs toughest player at the table.

V1: Middle aged lady not great, limps a lot raises on occasion. pretty standard live player in my experience. straight forward.

V2: guy in mid 30s, fancy shirt, sunglasses, and headphones. I think he thinks he's better than he is but seems to be experienced from what i can tell. only been there for an hour but seems to make good decisions.

Hero: TAG

My stack 250 both villains cover.

Hand: 2 folds, V1 makes it 8, V2 calls, 2 more callers to me in BB with KK, i make it 35 (should've made it 40 in hindsight.) V1 calls V2 tanks and calls, other two fold.

Flop(124): 7hTcJc

b/f or c/c?
I think for 30 sec and fire 65, sizing is bad again i think but didn't want to commit myself. maybe 75 would be better?

V1 folds. V2 tanks for a few mins and moves all in. I think its an easy fold now.

Thoughts?

Also, reads are pretty weak i struggle with focus at the table, trying to improve any tips?
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08-29-2011 , 01:01 AM
You've committed almost half your stack, so it's a tough decision. Without much info, call and reload against sets, straight, two-pairs, etc, but over pairs and TPTK is in his range too. Folding is okay too, depends on your style.
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08-29-2011 , 01:03 AM
tough spot but it looks like a call.
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08-29-2011 , 01:05 AM
I effing hate folding here. Esp since you only have 240 behind i think this is a call. Sometimes live you gotta just click call in this spot. Its not like online cash games where they always have it =] I think he has a lot of combo draws a lot of time or might think u will fold? Hand would be a lot more interesting if you both had 500+ behind
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08-29-2011 , 02:58 AM
well according to pot odds u need 27% equity to make the call.
lets give villain a worst case range of 77, TT, and JJ, KhQh, AhJh, KhJh, QhJh, JT, and 98s (i discounted 98o b/c i think he would fold this preflop), we have 24% equity if which case its a fold. If u think he is shoving lighter than this (which i think might be possible given your description of him) then u could call.
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08-29-2011 , 04:05 AM
You have comitted yourself preflop by that raise on all but the worst flops. That's a bad one but not so bad that you can get away from it.

Bet/calling is good. Shoving is ok. Check raising is ok. Check/folding is bad. Bet/folding is the worst.
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08-29-2011 , 05:08 AM
It's a stuff spot but I think you gotta call here. The chances of Villain showing up with QQ>AJ is took good to fold. So Call and re-buy if you got it wrong.
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08-29-2011 , 05:26 AM
Raise to 49. People will def call 41 more w/ marginal sh like A9s QJs

This is 1/2 live pokers. Players are making 40$/hr and are gambly enough to put that much in with marginal suiteds
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08-29-2011 , 07:37 AM
pf 45
flop 80
shove any turn

as played call
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08-29-2011 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ebarnet
Raise to 49. People will def call 41 more w/ marginal sh like A9s QJs

This is 1/2 live pokers. Players are making 40$/hr and are gambly enough to put that much in with marginal suiteds
i assume this is a level...?
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08-29-2011 , 09:27 AM
Do we have the king of clubs?
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08-29-2011 , 09:32 AM
We only need 27.1% equity here..folding here is pretty hard to do and be correct..

I am really amazed at V2 because he shouldn't have a hand like AA(would backraise us imo), or TT, prob folds to the 30.. so I think he has JJ-QQ..

Even vs that tight range:

Board: Jc Tc 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.828% 62.56% 00.27% 5574 24.00 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 37.172% 36.90% 00.27% 3288 24.00 { QQ-JJ }


And let's say we add in all hands you lose to and 6 combos of the QQ

Board: Jc Tc 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.217% 33.70% 00.52% 7340 112.50 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 65.783% 65.27% 00.52% 14215 112.50 { QQ-TT, 77, JTs, 98s }

So.. yeah, I don't think you can fold and be correct.

Call and hate life when he turns over JJ.
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08-29-2011 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by livegrinder
Do we have the king of clubs?
yes
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08-29-2011 , 10:14 AM
at the time i was thinking and still do for the most part that my range was heavily weighted towards QQ+... that being said i can't really see him trying to bluff me off of that. I feel like a lot of players aren't folding there. So i felt like his range was 77, TT, JJ, JT, 89, and Q9cc. You might be able to add QQ in there but i feel like he'd 3 bet this pf at least a portion of the time. If you add a few bluffs in there with say 88 or 99. Then yes its a call but not by a whole lot....

In the moment i can't think of a hand in his value range that i beat here, obviously i don't have my calculator and poker stove right by me to make an exact decision. I'm really bad at counting up the pot which sucks, i'm still getting used to live....

Thoughts?
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08-29-2011 , 10:28 AM
*grunch

think you have to call here. certainly dont beat yourself up if you did call and found yourself dd to a flopped str. there's enough Jx and combos in his range.
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