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1/2 KJs combo draw 1/2 KJs combo draw

12-16-2013 , 03:49 AM
V1 (600)- 35 yo white male, very loose, station
V2 (340)- 40 yo white male, tight
Hero's Image (290)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (3):
Hero is MP dealt KJ
Hero raises to 10, V2 calls from BTN, V1 calls from BB.

Flop (28):
Q95
V1 bets 20, Hero calls, V2 calls.

Turn (87):
8
V1 bets 20, Hero calls, V2 raises to 100, V1 calls, Hero calls.

River (387):
K
V1 checks, Hero checks, V2 bets 180, V1 folds, Hero folds.
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12-16-2013 , 04:04 AM
I play it the same.

I think flop call is fine IP vs. a station.
Turn seems standard since JT got there.

nh

Last edited by pointguard; 12-16-2013 at 04:28 AM.
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12-16-2013 , 04:07 AM
So you are up against KQ/JT/set? V2 is calling PF from B with JT?

I think I am 3-betting this Turn with V1 calling the raise. V2 cant bet 180 OTR if he already has $130 in the pot ... would be $160. Get V1 to commit to the side pot before he see the River and get away. You 'only' make $50 off him but thats better than nothing. If V1 folds out, then his money is dead and you still have a decent draw.

If V1 folds the Turn raise then I flat and evaluate the River.

You must have a lot of respect for this guy if you River top pair and fold out. He cant be raising with Kx here, right? So you are squarely putting him on JT/set. I agree though if you know a player then stay out of their way. But I also know I wont get paid by him if I hit so I might as well get it in. GL
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12-16-2013 , 04:22 AM
Sure V2 can bet 180, he started with 340, so he had 210 left on the river..

As described, V2 played EXACTLY like JT.

Turn call is okay. $80 more into a pot of $307 for a huge draw pretty much to the nuts, when you hit he has no FE.

Overall hand AP is okay. The only thing I would do different is raise flop.
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12-16-2013 , 09:39 AM
I really like the way you played the hand. Flop is standard. I don't like raising the flop with such an awesome draw. I'd prefer if we had a low flush draw or JT or something. If we get it AI on the flop here, we're basically coin flipping. Why get into such a marginal spot?

No reason to get fancy on the flop when we know calling is always +EV. Flatting the turn is also good, because we have no fold equity (no reason to shove). We can just see a river and play it based on whether we bink or not.
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12-16-2013 , 10:52 AM
Nh imo, I think flatting the flop is fine and raising is fine but you don't kind the over call behind you
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12-16-2013 , 02:30 PM
I think raising the flop is actually pretty bad. The other player is described as a station. We are pretty unlikely to get him to fold (especially if, like most stations, he is usually only betting with a decent hand). I think its better to flat, given that we should be able to get good value from him when we get there.

I might raise the turn. I don't mind flatting. But a lot of the time, the repeat small betsizing is a hand that he is going to be willing to fold to a raise. I know, he's a station, so I would probably want some reads before I was willing to do this. But, for me, it has been a pretty reliable betsizing tell for a b/f.

I would obviously be less thrilled about raising with a player behind us. But he is likely to fold his whole range other than JT to a raise anyway.

As a default, if you haven't seen him take this kind of line before, you may as well just take the option you KNOW is +EV and flat.

Once v2 raises, I would obviously be pretty unhappy, but you can't fold. Jam the river when you get there. C/f when you don't.

Last edited by jack492505; 12-16-2013 at 02:30 PM. Reason: Hitting a K is obviously not getting there. Fold now.
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12-17-2013 , 04:16 PM
Thanks for the comments all, much appreciated.

Vs average opponents I would usually raise this flop. In this hand I felt I had very little FE and constraining the pot size was a better play.

Results-
Spoiler:
I folded face up and villain said he had me, I believe him. He was playing snug and I know he didn't have the balls to fire 180 otr as a bluff or thin value.
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