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06-24-2014 , 10:58 PM
V(u2 600)- I just sat down for 20mins but I have seen v calling 3 streets with ajo on 9879r and river the ace and he is one of the looser players on the table

Hero (sb 200) sat down 20 mins involve I no hands yet.

Pre: utg, v, hj co me and bb limps pot 18

Flop: Th7d3s hero lead out 12 utg call v call rest folds pot 54

Turn: Qh hero lead out 30 utg fold v call

River:
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06-24-2014 , 11:00 PM
Sorry pressed the wrong btn.

River: 2h hero decides to do same bet 30 v now goes all in hero?

Will post answer tomorrow.

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06-25-2014 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Eidorian
Sorry pressed the wrong btn.

River: 2h hero decides to do same bet 30 v now goes all in hero?

Will post answer tomorrow.

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It took a bit to establish your position but I assume that you completed the SB.

Give it at least 48 hours until you post result as it influences the advice.

I don't mind the complete and the bet on the flop and turn but I'd bet 45 on the turn.

If you are going to bet river, you have to make it bigger. It just screams exactly what you have and now the back door flush gets there its a tough spot to call.

I'd be check calling/folding river depending on bet size but it's hard to put villain on a Q or Q10 or any 2 pair, 89h possible I guess.

It's a tough spot. A set beats you, A10, Q10, 89h.

You beat only bluffs.

Last edited by BIGFISH72; 06-25-2014 at 12:26 AM.
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06-25-2014 , 12:22 AM
Advice appreciated I will post results in 2 days then.

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06-25-2014 , 12:27 AM
I'm likely betting more like the pot on the flop also.

Villain may limp pre and peel with QJ also for $12 bet
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06-25-2014 , 12:48 AM
Key component is that you saw villain calling down light but not the aggressor...now you're seeing V as the aggressor which should sound off some alarm bells...

Now is V capable of floating 2 streets with intention of raising on river to steal pot?? Not many villains at 1/2 are but generally I would put you on exactly what you have when you make the same size bet on river as you did on turn so it would be a good spot to make this play....just appears weak so recommend a bet of at least $40-$50 on river.

This is a good spot to b/f though...I believe villain backed his way into a flush. Give it up....
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06-25-2014 , 12:50 AM
Also, given stack sizes, I'm fine with bet sizing. If we're sitting deeper though I advocate larger flop and turn bets. Calling stations are the villains we should be targeting to get full value for these type of hands....
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06-25-2014 , 03:15 AM
I prefer a chk/evaluate on river. At this point I don't think betting for value allows us to get called by a lot of worse hands. Also seems too obvious to make a blocking bet.

As played we've been raised $174 and the pot now contains $335, so a bit less than 2:1. We need V to be bluffing a missed draw 35% of the time (or from another angle we need this to be a value raise hand less than 65% of the time).

I think we need to expand the backdoor hearts to more than just 98hh. Given his previous play of calling flop/turn of 9879 w AJ he is loose enough to call flop/turn here with J9hh, 86hh, J8hh. Flop is dry enough that it's possible he takes this line with a flopped set; if we discount TT to one combo we see seven plausible flopped set combos. Also trailing six combos of QT. Don't think he value shoves AT in this spot.

The big problem is that we don't know V very well. Shoving a missed draw in this spot is not something we can count on for an unknown. We know there are a ton of missed draws in his range (basically any 98, 86, J9, J8), but the frequency with which he decides to bluff raise shove is very uncertain. If we had checked and he bet $45 I'd like a call since many Vs will bluff in that spot with a missed draw and we'd get better than 3:1, but here I think I'd prefer a fold.

Last edited by Axel Foley; 06-25-2014 at 03:20 AM.
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06-25-2014 , 04:28 AM
I think the river bet was too small. Id check and call based on bet sizing.
As played Id fold to the shove.
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07-03-2014 , 07:39 AM
sorry for the late results
Spoiler:
I called and he showed 34hh
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07-03-2014 , 01:00 PM
if you are going to bet river dont bet 30. i think checking turn is best
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07-03-2014 , 01:33 PM
River bet the same as the turn bet...this likely tells V what your repping. I think the turn bet should have been larger giving him the wrong price to chase FD if that is what he has. If he calls a larger turn bet, I'm checking any river to see his action. on river he may have completed and I fold to a shove with only TPGK. I have learned the expensive way that most people in 1/2 and 1/3 games are not bluffing river shoves/big bets too much, they got the goods.
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