I went up to Choctaw last night with a friend. Bought in for $300 and sat in position on a $1200 stack. I was down $400 at one point, but had rebuilt my stack to $670, but was still down $70 for the session.

Table dynamics were very favorable. Several players are 200bb+ deep. It's one of the rare instances where I'm confident I'm one of the best two players at the table. I'm taking down a lot of limped pots in position with PF raises. I've targeted one big stack across the table as a station and I'm looking to bleed him dry. I've learned I have to double in a lot of spots because he never folds with any Ace until the turn, and he pays premium for all draws. He scooped one big 4-way pot about an hour earlier for $950, and is down to about $600 now.

Guy to my right with $1200 is playing pretty tight. Haven't seen him show down anything interesting. My read is tight ABC, but I've seen some mistakes with bet sizing. I don't know how he built his stack. He's be floating around the same stack size over the 3-4 hours I've been at the table.

On to the hand:

Hero is BTN with K9
4 limpers, Hero raises to $16
MP calls (station)
HJ calls (my friend, new-ish player, but competent)
CO calls (big stack)

Pot is $61 after rake
Flop QT8

It checks around, Hero bets $35
MP calls
HJ calls
CO calls

Pot is $201

Turn K

Checks around again. Hero??

With AJ and KJ in all of their ranges right now, as well as some 2 pairs like KQ and QT, I think its unlikely we have the best hand here in a 4 way pot. I say check or we'd be semi-bluffing.

Heh... I don''t think I would be raising with this hand after 4 limpers. There is simply too much of a chance the pot goes 4 ways and you will basically have to play fit or fold. If I were going to raise, It would be much larger than $16. $20+IMO. As played, I would probably bet the flop bigger or check back. Betting $35 here just doesn't really get much done IMO. Come turn, you make top pair. But the pot is still 4 ways... You have a ton of equity, but it will be harder to get any hand better than yours to fold. Tough spot IMO. It seems unlikely that anyone has a really strong hand here, but who knows. I would probably check it back and evaluate the river action since you have position and getting c/r would be a disaster.

The lesson to be learned here is to not make plays when the pot is going to go 15 ways. I don't like raising marginal hands when there are more than two limpers in front of me.

More pre.

More flop.

Check turn. That was a bad card for us.

This.

I debated on $22 pre...don't know why I didn't. As played, I like seeing a multi-way pot with this hand IP. With the combo draw, I hit this flop about as hard as I could. I'm not looking to fold people out with all the implied odds behind, given 2 other deep stacks.

Not sure I agree checking the turn, either. It does not improve my hand, but only removes the GS from my range. I still have s to draw, and a good chance of getting paid.

Yes, which is why we check lol.

Like seriously any hand that is ahead of us now is never folding river. Even if river is a . That's what makes llsnl so awesome.

So we can bet here with zero fold equity while we are behind, or we can freely draw to the "likely" nuts and get paid.

And this is coming from someone who spews hard with draws.

Yeah, you're probably right, and my whole questioning on this hand is around my bet sizing. In game, I'm thinking if that diamond hits, I obv want all my manies in the pot. It's only $200 now, and I have $619 behind, fully covered once, and almost twice. If I don't bet here, how can I ever set up the most profitable river? Given it's still 4 way (and I'm expecting 2 callers if I bet), I still want to build a bigger pot. It's relatively cheap, and the potential payout is huge.

I'm not saying I'm right, but this was my thought process in game. Sometimes I forget how lolbad villains can be. That said:

Hero bets $65.
2 folds
CO tanks. Counts out $65. Counts out $130. Counts out $195. 3 nice pretty stacks and he moves them just up to the line. Announces a raise to $130 and pushes two across.

In game, this was pretty much EXACTLY what I was hoping for from the CO. I was expecting MP to stay in, but oh well. At this point, I put CO on J9 or AJ. I'm getting 13:1 implied.

Hero calls $65.

Pot is now $461, with $489 effective behind.

Slight mistake, or huge mistake?

pretty big mistake to bet this turn imo, you got lucky he didnt raise more. also, i don´t get your 13:1 statement

Just saying that if villain never folds the river (I expect Avarita is right), I'm calling $65 into $396 pot and expecting to get paid on my $489 behind.

But yeah I see what you guys mean. If he's never folding any river card, why bet the turn? Seems pretty simple now.

yeah, you just burned 130 (not that much because of implieds but still) dollars on the street where you are behind most likely equitywise. and villain may come to his senses and fold on a diamond river, we don´t know.

btw, i´m not 100% positive CO has precisely AJ/J9. it would be really horrible from him to play turn like that.

This goes back to earlier reads on the villain. He's playing tight, but he's making bad mistakes with his bet sizing. I'm ranging him heavily toward Jx, with KQ and maybe a horribly played 88/TT as a smaller part of his range.