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05-06-2014 , 03:12 PM

Dandelo1

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No history with villain who just sat down with $100, hero covers. Villain raises to 15 UTG, folds to hero with JJ on the button. Hero raises to 50, villain shoves, hero calls.

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05-06-2014 , 08:08 PM

jroze612

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If he really just sat down he might be shoving ATC. Did he look drunk/tired? I think you played it fine. Only other option is to call preflop and hope he shoves a non-Ace/King flop.

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05-06-2014 , 08:50 PM

Flatbarrel

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I feel neutral. Think i prefer calling pre. Just tho

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05-06-2014 , 08:57 PM

HiroNakamara

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in 1/2 games - UTG raises often beat JJ
I'd just flat - see a flop - and re-evaluate from there.
Overplaying JJ in position is spew.
At best you're up against AK.
In most cases, you're far behind and looking to set mine.

Last edited by HiroNakamara; 05-06-2014 at 09:11 PM.

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05-06-2014 , 09:04 PM

Dandelo1

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He appeared to be tired but not drunk. I think I put him on a wide range including more hands I am way ahead of than behind, but not knowing anything about him i think my reasoning may have been flawed.

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05-06-2014 , 09:06 PM

shrewsbury91

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Standard call here, V could easily have TT here and there are so many combos you are flipping with here where you are a slight favorite(~55%)

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05-06-2014 , 09:12 PM

TheCake

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Why so much? If I had 1010 I'd fold to 50. Id also fold AQ AJ AT 99 88etc. I think 35-40 allows him to play hands you absolutely crush oop.

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05-06-2014 , 09:18 PM

Cyo

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Originally Posted by shrewsbury91

Standard call here, V could easily have TT here and there are so many combos you are flipping with here where you are a slight favorite(~55%)

This. It's 1/2.

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05-06-2014 , 10:36 PM

iraisetoomuch

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Pre is way too big.
Your sizing makes it too likely that he will fold out the hands that we beat / and some we are flipping with, and jam all the ones that we are losing to / and only the strongest that we are flipping against.

$35 - $40 keeps his range wider, and still gives us a nice PSB to bet on the flop that we can stick in it we want to.

Obviously once we 3bet, we are calling 100% of the time. If he jams AK, AA, KK we are making a +EV call.

Against and unknown sitting down first hand, I might flat with JJ here. $15 UTG is typically pretty strong.

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05-06-2014 , 11:45 PM

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chino85

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i also prefer flat with no reads on villain and if i were to 3b i like a small 3b to keep his range wider.

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05-06-2014 , 11:56 PM

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Lapidator

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Stack sizes....

V has 50bb. We haz top 5% hand. Let's get stacks in. 3b to $50 is good. Now snap call.

Set mining for < 100bb effective stacks is very very bad.

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05-07-2014 , 12:11 AM

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TheCake

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Were 3 betting light to commit him on T 3 4 flops when he has AT. We dont want him folding that. Obv when he ships we call but I like to play more flops as oppsed to runouts against weak villians cause theres tons of pots we can take down when we miss.

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05-07-2014 , 12:21 AM

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Lapidator

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But even if you just flat his PFR, the pot's going to be $30 with SPR of 2 left. He's likely committed. If he folds, you'll get his money the easy way all night long -- you hope he rebuys for 50bb for a few hours.

There is zero reason to 3b light against a short stack.

Anyway, in this HH we are not 3b light, so let's just get him in. LOL when he shows up with QJs (and cry when he rivers a Q).

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05-07-2014 , 12:39 AM

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TheCake

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OP would you still bet 50 if villian had 400?

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05-07-2014 , 02:44 AM

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Dandelo1

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Originally Posted by TheCake

OP would you still bet 50 if villian had 400?

If he was that deep I would probably not 3 bet in this situation. His stack size definitely influenced my decision to raise.

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05-07-2014 , 03:19 AM

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ashes to ashes

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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch

i dont think the 3! is way to big , i probably wouldve made it 40 but that is pretty minor issue and either way SPR is going to be <1 on the flop and im not folding.

pre i am snapping this off without hesitation.

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