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02-02-2017 , 06:37 AM
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V UTG+2 OMC

Sat down for about 2 orbits

Hero:bb K8 ♠️ ♠️ $130
V:$115

UTG limps
UTG+1 raises $8
Co calls
Hero defends $6
UTG flats

Pot:$33
Flop:10 9 7 rainbow 1 ♠️
I check
UTG checks
UTG +1 bets $18
Co folds
I flat
UTG folds

With an overcard (that might not be live) a bdfd and an open wonder getting 5:1 or so plus implied odds I think this is a fine call.

Pot: $68
Turn: 7 Hearts bringing a bdfd in

I check
UTG +1 bets $20
Easy call getting great odds against his overpair $20 to win $106

River :$108
9 of ❤️

Hero:???

Flush draw gets there, could have flopped straight, lots of full houses lead into him and jam? Can he really call with an overpair?
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02-02-2017 , 07:14 AM
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Edit: i get it, youre bluffing, sorry misunderstood.

Yeah this is a good ship. you arent representing a whole lot. slowplayed 7 on turn? super slowplayed straight that ships into a FH? poorly played 9? weird backdoor? Bad players will fold, but i feel like a good player may snap you off with AA.

Also he could have 78-TJ here, but yeah youre getting eough folds for this to be an EV+ bluff.
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02-02-2017 , 07:17 AM
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i assume you mean spade comes on turn and river. flop and turn is fine, you could also have semibluff raised either street depending on reads (turn probably better because his tiny bet shows fear and weakness). River value bet is pretty thin. You have no reason you put him on an overpair, he could have 78-TJ and play it the same way, 78 probably wouldve bet more on turn but it mightve been a suck bet. AA probably folds to a ship here, this is a river check.
His range is 10-10 through AA because of his preflop raise. I would bet $1,000 on that.

Turn and river bring a heart flush in, I have spades I have K high on the river

I don't think a semibluff will ever get through OTF or OTT and not enough behind to set up a multi street bluff either
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02-02-2017 , 07:19 AM
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Edit: i get it, youre bluffing, sorry misunderstood.

Yeah this is a good ship. you arent representing a whole lot. slowplayed 7 on turn? super slowplayed straight that ships into a FH? poorly played 9? weird backdoor? Bad players will fold, but i feel like a good player may snap you off with AA.

Also he could have 78-TJ here, but yeah youre getting eough folds for this to be an EV+ bluff.
I think I have plenty of 9s here, J9s makes sense for middle pair + combo draw, o wouldn't raise with middle pair here
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02-02-2017 , 07:31 AM
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I think I have plenty of 9s here, J9s makes sense for middle pair + combo draw, o wouldn't raise with middle pair here
ok, i can see J9. Maybe 98. thats about all. But the only draw thats there is 8x. If flop came with 2 spades and a heart, id put you on either the 8 or the spade but cant really put as many hands on draws with no flop FD.
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02-02-2017 , 07:51 AM
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On the Turn, the pot is closer to $60 after the rake, so when V bets 1/3rd pot I would think he:
1. Is not worried about being outdrawn & betting for value.
2. Is concerned he is beat & betting light, so that in the event you c/r he can consider folding.

I think the Turn was the time to GII with a c/r if you are going to bluff. Looks much stronger.
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02-02-2017 , 08:09 AM
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ok, i can see J9. Maybe 98. thats about all. But the only draw thats there is 8x. If flop came with 2 spades and a heart, id put you on either the 8 or the spade but cant really put as many hands on draws with no flop FD.
Yeah, so this makes my river jam look a lot better, 87 98 j9 all beat an overpair, only thing that bricked is my exact hand/A8s
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02-02-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Fold pre or 3! bluff. K8s is not a good calling hand oop.

I question your IO because the straight is obvious and villain will suspect you hit it. If you call the flop, you need to fold or semi-bluff c/r shove most turns.

I'd c/r shove the turn because villain makes a very weak bet. You can get a ton of better overcard hands to fold.
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02-02-2017 , 10:05 AM
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On the Turn, the pot is closer to $60 after the rake, so when V bets 1/3rd pot I would think he:
1. Is not worried about being outdrawn & betting for value.
2. Is concerned he is beat & betting light, so that in the event you c/r he can consider folding.

I think the Turn was the time to GII with a c/r if you are going to bluff. Looks much stronger.
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Fold pre or 3! bluff. K8s is not a good calling hand oop.

I question your IO because the straight is obvious and villain will suspect you hit it. If you call the flop, you need to fold or semi-bluff c/r shove most turns.

I'd c/r shove the turn because villain makes a very weak bet. You can get a ton of better overcard hands to fold.
I thought about a turn jam, but it just looks like I'm on a draw way too much of the time with a heart draw, and a 1 to a straight out there. My plan was to fold river seeing as his turn bet gave me such great odds. Then 9 comes on the river, and it just seems like such a great spot to bluff having the absolute worse holding i can have here.
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02-02-2017 , 11:31 AM
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I would have folded pre -- every time. Terrible hand to call with, especially against EP OMC.

Shove river and pray he can fold an over-pair. Most OMCs can/will on boards like this -- unless you are seen as a LAG.
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