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1-2 isolating a lag tards blind shove.. 1-2 isolating a lag tards blind shove..

03-06-2012 , 03:47 PM
1-2....

V1...Lagtard... bad...down too his last $23 and shoves it blind....

V2 Young guy...trying to play poker but no idea what he's doing...passive, limps loose but calls a little tighter never seen him 3bet...pre flop raises are rare...he has about 180

I'm seen as very tight....given lots of respect...I have the table covered...


V1 utg goes all without looking as he had premised for $23, 2 folds, I look down and see AQo.....I make it 50....

(figure its big enough to isolate and I still get away from the bigger stacks if they come over the top of me, some what at the table has comments "OH here it comes he's isolating" and a murmur of agrrement)

....fold, V2 calls...every one else folds...

Pot is 120 ish....3 players 1 all in...

Q 8 3 with two

V1 has a little over a pot size bet left.....I'm first to act...What's my plan...

My thinking is his call is strong....JJ+ and AK, most likely JJ QQ or AK (probably 3 bets AA and KK but can't be sure)...
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03-06-2012 , 03:56 PM
Do the math. Think about his range. What are you ahead of? (JJ and AK). What are you behind (QQ, maybe KK or AA). QQ is really hard for him to have given you have AQ and there is Q on board - I think you should give KK a lot more credit than you do, though. Why don't you think he can be there with TT?

Given a range of a lot of AK, JJ, TT and KK, it's tough to find a fold.
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03-06-2012 , 04:00 PM
Bet and never fold.
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03-06-2012 , 04:12 PM
so the pot is $126 assuming V2 called from LP. He has ~$130 behind. Yikes, looks like you should probably just jam. However, you're pretty much never getting called by worse and he's never bluffing here if you check.

Just put the money in and hope he doesn't have you beat I guess. If he calls with worse, then even better.
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03-06-2012 , 04:39 PM
bet 40, shove turn
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03-06-2012 , 04:46 PM
^+1. 40-55ish dont fold ever
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03-06-2012 , 05:16 PM
Do not bet $40. This villain probably does not understand actual drawing odds, so why let him draw so cheaply?
Nothing wrong with an all-in here. He can call here with kq, flush draw, sometimes Js or 10s. You can also fold out Ks sometimes with a shove if you he thinks you would do this with As. If you are already beat, you are not going to fold anyway with these stacksizes.
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03-06-2012 , 06:02 PM
Shove all-in, and I disagree that you won't be called by worse. Villain will definitely call with a Q and could call with lower pairs as well if he "puts you on a flush draw". If Villain does have a strong preflop pair he may realize how stupid he was for not jamming preflop and will often call anyways.
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03-06-2012 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Dwans Son
Shove all-in, and I disagree that you won't be called by worse. Villain will definitely call with a Q and could call with lower pairs as well if he "puts you on a flush draw". If Villain does have a strong preflop pair he may realize how stupid he was for not jamming preflop and will often call anyways.
Completely agree

V can call with a whole host of worse hands as he puts you on "AK" because that is the only hand you can raise with pre right? Similarly, there is a FD on the board and V's will usually call down light as they put you on the draw

Flop is an easy shove.

Lastly, your plan in this spot should be to pretty much shove all flops and put the pressure on V.
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03-06-2012 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jbull
Do not bet $40. This villain probably does not understand actual drawing odds, so why let him draw so cheaply?
Nothing wrong with an all-in here. He can call here with kq, flush draw, sometimes Js or 10s. You can also fold out Ks sometimes with a shove if you he thinks you would do this with As. If you are already beat, you are not going to fold anyway with these stacksizes.
Well this is a pretty good read....I figured he would not fold bettor, and if I checked once or twice I might get action from worse, either a bluff or a light call later.

I checked he bet $50....now I figured (incorrectly when I thought about it later) that since I was not folding and he would never double barrel bluff, I should shove and at least fold out any equity he had in the pot....he tanked kept saying you have a set....and folded KK....

It sometimes helps to have a couple of loud mouth lag tards at your table telling everyone how tight you play....
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03-06-2012 , 10:50 PM
Shove this flop AINEC. At this point being that V is pretty nitty we could care less about the rest of his stack. Going to take a cooler more than likely. Shove and collect the pot.

(posted before I read your results... Wait 24 hours next time please)
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03-06-2012 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CyrusJavid
Bet and never fold.
this.

V2's range is wider than you think.

It's probably more like QK+, 55+
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