V1 BB ($500) - Nitty old man. Does not want to play for stacks without nuts. Hero bluffed him out of pot earlier when an ace hit turn and he had QQ. Didn't show.

V2 CO ($450) - 30ish white woman, super duper station. Aggression from her is usually two pair plus, but will call down a lot of times with any pair, gutshot, etc.

V3 BTN (covers) - 30ish white man. Has built his stack quickly but has been very aggressive, playing a lot of hands pre aggressively and playing aggressively post-flop.

H SB ($480) - Should have a pretty clean image here. Obviously willing to play for stacks. GII pre earlier today with AK, lost to QQ.

V3 button straddles to $5. V2 makes a blind raise to $21 (no idea what happened here). Dealer confirms that if no raise beforehand V2's raise stands.

H gets TsTd in SB and completes. V1 completes his BB. Folds to V2 who blind raises to $21. V3 calls. H raises to $100. Everyone calls (!).

Pre my thinking was I have a premium, obviously limp since I know there will be a raise. Was hoping $100 would take it down or get me heads up with V2. Obviously didn't expect 3 callers, and particularly thought V1 would fold.

Flop ($400) - Ac9d7d. Checks to V3 who bets $200. Hero?

I was kind of lost on this flop. Maybe I should have c-bet but worried I'm only called when beat. Also don't know what to make of V3's bet. Assume he raises most strong aces pre-flop. If he has a weak ace, other than two pair, he should be afraid someone else has a better ace. So I'm ranging him on draws, two pair, set of 9s or 7s and some spaz. A bit harder to make a move on him though, given stack size and the fact that V1 and V2 still can act.

Thoughts on either street welcome.

I like pre, but I think you have to fold now, especially w/ two players behind.

Other option is to raise, but you have to play for stacks w/ TT on this board and hope V1 and V2 don't end up with gamble in them, and I'm not sure I want to do that.

I also highly doubt V3 is folding an A or two pair (never), but he might have a draw.

I let this one go.

Too deep to limp/raise this pre OOP and create a whole lot of awkward scenarios for yourself post-flop. I'd just call and see what develops. If you were in position I'd 3b for sure, but then again i'd have just raised pre the first time around.

As played your guess is as good as anyone's. There's a good chance that V3 does not have an ace and is just hoping that nobody else does either, but who knows. Gonna cost you some money to find out. I would have led the flop for $150, you still have a lot of AQ/AK in your range when you do that. Open shoving flop isn't terrible either since it will be tough for AJ- to call when it looks like you have AK/AQ with the open shove. Pot is big enough and you can also get called by FD's that want to gamble gamble.

Normally I'd raise TT first time, but doesn't the blind raise completely change the analysis? I know for certain that pot is going to get raised to $21 if I just complete, and I'd be very surprised if V3 on the button folds for another $16 to a blind raise, so I'm certain to have the option to raise later with at least another $35 of dead money in the pot. Given the blind raise, I would fold any hand I wasn't willing to put at least $21 in with, and complete with every hand I was willing to put at least $21 in with, and then evaluate my options once it gets back to me.

Now, maybe pre is a call of the $21 rather than a raise. Once V1 completes, knowing there will be a raise to $21, he's showing a lot of strength too and is still uncapped. That may push TT out of my value range, and instead make it a set mine, but think that's close. If V1 had folded I'm pretty sure limp/raise pre is the right move.

I like the plan preflop. I think that it should work most of the time. However, it DID NOT work this time because going four ways with TT and a bloated pot was just about the worse scenario for us. C-betting doesn't seem that ideal. Strong aces will almost always call. We may also get some calls from strong draws, but they would have a lot of equity against us. Worse is likewise almost always folding. Can we get some weak aces to fold? It's possible, but if they're going to call a $100 raise preflop, flop an ace and fold they are either mega-horrible or else they rarely have those hands in their range.

Everything adds up to a fold for me here. You had a good plan, but the rest of the field ruined it and now you have to abandon ship.

Thanks. In retrospect I think fold is right play. I don't think V3 is ever folding but I do think he has enough draws in his range that I could profitably gii with him. However, I still have V1 and V2 to grapple with, and from my perspective this is a clear shove/fold spot. I doubt V1 is calling a shove here with anything less than AK here. However, V2 can have a lot of AX here, and maybe would call since she's a station (though a $380 shove would probably give her pause). So while I think I could have a +EV shove against V3 alone since I only need 33% equity, it's pretty marginal and I think bad when considering the fact I could be drawing to 2 outs against V1 or V2.

Basically someone has an Ace here almost always, not necessarily the super aggro flop bettor but someone surely does and only V1 is capable of folding it. Still, I suspect in this bloated pot vs this bettor even V1 is continuing a good ace if he has it.

Wouldn't V1 bet an ace to protect against draws? Maybe but pot is crazy bloated and even though he's nitty, he is old so I would expect he's been playing a while and is well aware V3 is very aggro and may bet a load of weaker hands if checked to. Besides, hero effectively limp/reraised preflop so nitty old guy is perfectly capable of thinking hero has a set of aces and is doing a stupid slow play on a drawy board even if he holds an ace himself!

I fold this pretty much instantly.

Preflop is weird and weirdness generally inhibits good hand reading so I'd take the most conservative route available and call to set mine after seeing old man nit is happy to play OOP vs a $21 raise. Not sure exactly what his range is but it can't have terrible equity vs TT and he is going to have position on hero if no one else.

If I elect to continue postflop as played I think immediately shoving is the only way to go. It can fold out some (all?) V1's AX and there is not conclusive evidence anyone else has one. Still, on balance I think a stubborn AX will show up too often for the shove to be profitable .

Also this is probably the 5th or 6th TT or JJ OOP, multiway, deep stacked in a bloated pot post I've read in 48hrs. The common theme seems to be heroes are the ones voluntarily bloating these pots. Next session I play I'm going to carefully avoid the same fate by playing JJ and below a little more cautiously OOP and giving extra thought to stack sizes before I act preflop.

I'm insta-folding because V1 or V2 could be setting up a x/r. You're OOP the rest of the hand and facing a potential squeeze for 100BB with 2 players to act. I don't think you should be considering anything else here.

Even if nobody's gonna x/r they're gonna c/c until their stacks disappear if they have A/K or A/Q vs. the aggressive button.

There is of course a significant risk of a "check/raise" preflop too (I asume you are talking about post flop?). Maybe hero even ruins V1's "check/raise" attempt by reraising himself.

I'd still call preflop with TT for the times no shenanigans occurs but I wouldn't reraise it myself. There are two deep stacks out there in the hands of bad players so a set could be pretty nice

So I shove. Folds to V3 who calls with J8dd. I lose to a jack on river.

Result was ok (I got it in with $400 dead on a flip) but as noted above think this was a fold rather than shove. V2 said she folded an ace, which I wouldn't have expected.

Flat pre. AP, shove is OKish, but avoid these spots with a more conservative approach PF.

Players at these stakes make so many blunders that there's no need to run your stack into a thin spot.

Surprised by all the advice to flat pre. With the blind raise this is still effectively a limped pot (although a bloated one).

shove is okish? The shove carries no fold equity since we are at best flipping with V3. Tons of other combos in V's range makes our hand dominated against our opponent's range (think Galfond bucks). This hand was spew.