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11-26-2011 , 12:06 AM
$1/$2, $20-$100 buy-in. I bought in for $60, as most of table was fairly short (most stacks $20-$60). Busted that*, re-bought for $40 and built that up to $260.

* - this hand is vs. villain from the hand I am asking advice on, but gives a picture into where villain is at. Villain limps in EP, I raise to $10 with JJ. Folds back to him, and he calls. I started hand with ~$55. Flop is K-T-9. He donks for $20, I raise all-in for ~$45, he calls. Turn is K-T-9-J and I flip up my JJ, but villain shows the ol' Q5o and scoops me when river doesn't pair the board.

On to the hand, with a little info on hero and villain:

Hero: $260 to start the hand. Haven't tangoed with villain since the JJ vs. Q5o hand. Built up my stack from $40 by showing down strong hands and playing TAG. Haven't gotten out of line at all.

Villain: ~$400 to start the hand. Pretty sure it's his first time playing live. He's been playing something crazy like 90/45. Has called all-ins pre and post when not getting correct odds, with complete air, with medium strength hands where he's obviously way behind. In essence, a live button clicker. Has been getting extremely lucky in lots of the bigger pots. Doesn't understand relative hand strength and has only been paying attention to his hand strength and not putting opponents on hand ranges.

Villain limps in EP. Pretty much can be ATC, as I've also seen him limp with KK and AA as well as Q5o and such. I raise to $10 with QQ. Folds to him and he calls.

Flop ($19 after rake): Ks-Qs-X. He checks, I bet $20, he calls.
Turn ($59 after rake): Ks-Qs-X-Y. He donks for $20. I raise to $70, leaving myself $160 behind. He calls. Pot is now $199.
River ($199 after rake): Ks-Qs-X-Y-Js. He shoves all-in almost instantly after the river hits. Hero tanks and tanks and.......??

Ok, so I'm fine with pre-flop. Rest of table had been playing straight-forward, and a $10 raise after one limper is going to be getting rid of majority of players, unlike in a lot of $1/$2 games.

Flop I'm fine with also. Lots of draws out there, and villain is not folding any pair on this flop. He was calling any bet when he hit the flop.

Turn is where I had a bit of trouble with. Knew I had to raise to get value from his worse value hands and to charge his draws. Saw his c/c flop, lead turn as fairly weak, though he has taken this line with strong hands as well, but not worried with the second nuts here. Anyone raising bigger here? Some players at the table were saying afterwards I should've shoved the turn, as he most likely would've called with his value hands AND draws here (yes, he was that much of a calling station).

River is where I had the most trouble with. Trouble I have playing against opponents like this is I have no idea how strong they really are, as they tend to over-value their own hands and have no understanding of relative hand strength. He certainly seemed really strong, and his body language conveyed that. Yet, is that him over-valuing 2 pair, such as KJ, as being the virtual nuts or did he really hit his straight or flush?? The fact that the Js hit the river removes all JsXs from his range as well. I have to call $160 to win $359. Roughly 2.25:1. So I need ~31% equity, if I did my math right to call.

Another thing to note, while villain had taken the c/c flop, lead turn line with air and draws, he would dump the hand later on to further action. So the fact that he called my turn raise after c/c flop and leading turn, and then shoved the river removes the complete air from his range.

Know this can be solved by pokerstoving it, just wondering what others thought about my line in general during this hand. Does his snap-shove on the river make you want to call more or fold more? Seems like even the most inept beginner at poker would not snap-shove the river here with the nut flush and would at least take some time to shove, or bet something more callable. Will reveal later on results of hand, just curious how others would've played this hand vs. this opponent.

Last edited by abracadabrab; 11-26-2011 at 12:28 AM.
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11-26-2011 , 12:35 AM
Raise more PF. How much do you think he would call? From your description my guess is he'd call 20. I think 10 is much too small when there is a guy like that.

Good PSB on the flop, but again if you would've bet 20 PF you'd be able to bet 40 easily on the flop. And w/ his call the pot would be 120 by the turn rather than 59. And it'd be much easier to get it in on the turn.
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11-26-2011 , 05:05 AM
nh
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11-26-2011 , 06:28 AM
fold. you lose.
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11-26-2011 , 06:52 AM
Raise more pre. Why are you not adjusting raise sizing to punish this guy?
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11-26-2011 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by spyu
Raise more PF. How much do you think he would call? From your description my guess is he'd call 20. I think 10 is much too small when there is a guy like that.

Good PSB on the flop, but again if you would've bet 20 PF you'd be able to bet 40 easily on the flop. And w/ his call the pot would be 120 by the turn rather than 59. And it'd be much easier to get it in on the turn.
Yeah, thinking about it more this would've been a better way to play it. If there's $120 in the pot on the turn w/ $200 behind & he donks for $20-$60 (his bet sizes were all over the place), then it's much easier of a shove & not having to worry about blowing him off his hand.

If he donks the turn for $20 and I shove for $200, pot will be $340 & $180 for him to call. If he donks for $60 and I shove for $200, pot will be $380 & $140 for him to call.

As played, he donks $20 into $60. I had $230 behind. So if I shove for $230, pot will be $310 & $210 for him to call. Wasn't sure if he'd call that big of a bet tbh @ that point. Guess I should've decided if I raised to $70 like I did, to be prepared to get it all-in on most rivers, as his play was so erratic to put him on a reasonable range. Definitely wasn't expecting him to shove, as I had yet to see him make a near pot sized bet in a pot of this magnitude.

Also briefly thought about just flatting his donk on the turn. If a brick hits river, can raise if he leads again or bet if he checks. If a scary river comes, can just flat if he leads & check behind if he checks. Thought this was leaving too much $ on the table though, but it would've made the hand easier to play. If this was against anyone else @ the table, I could've easily folded to a river shove as played.
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