1/2 Ctown WV, midnight, been playing for about 2 hours, pretty passive table

V1 (250ish) seems competent and understands the game; been in game for about 20min

V2 (200ish) weak passive (station ish)


I raise 13 in MP with KQss, V1 (btn) calls, V2 (bb) calls.

Flop (39) 8d 2d 6h

V2 checks, i check, V1 bets 25, V2 calls 25, hero raises to 75


Thoughts?

against a station and a competent opponent? doesn't look like the best time to make a move. would much rather cbet and fire a second barrel if the turn is good

knowing that V2 is a station, sqeeze is no good. please cbet this board.

There's a station in the hand, a good reason why I would not do this move.
I think it is fancy play syndrome. When I came to live poker I also wanted to make the greatest moves. What worked best for me is solid value betting/ thin value betting.

In a vacuum, your spot is ok to do it, but I also think you don't rep too much, because I would probably only play a set this way.

Bottom line: value towning against stations --> patience

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ok, i guess station wasnt the best descrip; he wasnt the one i was worried about in the hand tbh, i was more worried about what V1 would do b/c i was pretty sure V2 seemed weak enough to fold

basically wondering if this was an ok spot given that i have no redraws and am purely squeeze bluffing

Not really sure what your stack size is or your image at the table. I assume that you have them covered. You said guy behind you to act understands the game. Not really sure what kind of story your telling here.

I would expect you to cbet any over pair, and not sure what kind of hand you would be check raising to 75 unless you had a diamond draw.

Imo I would have cbet the flop and if called by both aborted mission. Probably continuing an Ace on the turn as a bluff if your cbet got called by either player, other than that im done. But overall I would have cbet before i check raised this. player dependent. I do a lot of stupid **** in 1/2 games because there are times your story doesnt have to add up for them to fold.

I like the play in theory but this is how i absolutely light money on fire... at 1/2 ...i am just ck/folding. Unless playing higher and only if i know my v and even the its prob still a ck/fld

Spew

Avoid check-raising too much @ 1/2, as it's just not that necessary. And then only check-raise for value. Personally, I don't think it works that well because of all the passive stations. Better to just lead out.

Check-raising as a bluff is totally lighting money on fire, as it's hard for the stations to find a fold after they've already commited chips to the pot. They feel almost obligated to call. Save this move for when your playing at a level where they respect your check-raises.

You're the pre-flop aggressor here. Why are you check-raising anyway? Better to just bomb away as post #2 suggests, with a cbet then turn barrel.

Why do you need to get fancy against players that you have been playing with for 20 minutes in one case and a couple hours in the other? You shouldn't need to, so just cbet if they're folding enough or cf if they're not. Your action looks exactly like you are bluffing and is going to get called a lot, especially mw. If you had the over pair you are repping, there is no way you risk that flop checking through; so your range is hugely weighted to bluffs, then draws, and finally a weird played over pair. Weak players may not exactly "range" you, but they'll call just because they don't believe especially once they've put money in after the flop.

Agree.. better to just 2 barrell then to try to excute this fancy play on 1/2 players that are going to frustration call u down 90% of the time with top pair

As others have noted, checkraising this flop looks FOS, especially if the opponents are not overly aggressive and have no reason to believe that the Hero would expect it to be bet if he checks.

"The survey says....SPEW"

This has fancy play syndrome written all over it to me. I'd rather just lead out over this play.

It depends on 2 things.
Can he hand read well?
If no, and he's scared money (doesn't like to rebuy)
And or,
He will fire most of his range when checked to (overcards as well as mid pairs/draws/8x)
then blasting away isn't so bad.

I think this plan goes to **** if you can't make fishy fold ott.


It's really spazzy, hard for you to rep much, but that won't matter if villain won't stack off light. Why is this line better than c-betting?

Agree

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