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08-19-2015 , 02:03 PM
villain is middle aged Asian (I think he's a reg) he's raised preflop occasionally from position. The only showdown he went to is he called pre w 92s for 10 then flopped two pair and got all in. So I'm assuming his calling range is wide

I'm a young guy (not a reg) and I don't think he knows anything about me.
250 effective

1 limper villain limps I raise to 10 w J10spades from co everyone folds, villain calls.

Flop
Ks 7 2
I Cbet 15 he raises to 40 I reraise to 100
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08-19-2015 , 02:06 PM
Calling seems better.
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08-19-2015 , 02:06 PM
I don't like it if that one hand is all the info you have. I hope it worked.
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08-19-2015 , 02:38 PM
Why do you like calling better?
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08-19-2015 , 02:44 PM
I like calling better, too. How I see it: The call will slow him down and gives you a chance to take control. If you call, he'll have a hard time firing on turn unless he has a really good hand, and you have a few cards that can help you (whether you actually hit or not). As stated, the raise just gets him to fold worse and continue with better. Not many draws he can have here

Personally, I might have checked/called the flop or bet/fold. But I like calling better than re-raising.
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08-19-2015 , 02:49 PM
^^ Or to put it another way, calling leverages your position. If the villain has a weak hand, he either has to put a solid bet in on the turn or show weakness by checking (or betting something tiny). If he shows weakness, you can pounce. If he actually has a hand, you can just fold unless you've picked up a draw that you want to float another street with.

EDIT: Also, are you 3betting any hand for value here? I don't think I am.
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08-19-2015 , 03:06 PM
pf raise is on the small side. I like it if you raise the same amount with a premium hand. I c bet this flop too. Sizing is good. If you c bet 1/2PSB for value sometimes you might be able to get away with $10 here. I´m folding to the raise. Even if you had some reason to believe V is FOS we have J high.

Last edited by kookiemonster; 08-19-2015 at 03:11 PM.
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08-19-2015 , 03:09 PM
Couple thoughts:

-Do you believe he's every doing this with less than top pair? If so, why?
-Do you believe he's likely to fold top pair to your reraise? If so, why?

This should usually be a bet/fold from you on the flop. You missed, you have no showdown value, and most 1/2 villains aren't check-raising as bluffs. No need to risk your whole stack with j-high and some backdoor draws.

If it isn't going to be a bet/fold, then I agree with others that it should be a flop call, then blast most turns. Problem with betting 100 here is, if he calls then you're going to have a $225 pot on the turn and $140 left in stacks. So he's either going to decide he was "check-raising to find out where he's at" and fold on the flop, or else he's going to commit all his chips with you on the turn.

That means that raising the flop will win you $75 every time he folds the flop and lose you $225 almost every time he calls the flop.

That's... not great.

If you call the $25 raise, your hand still looks a lot like AK/KQ. If he bets hard on the turn, you can decide you have no fold equity and muck the hand. If he bets tiny or checks, you can consider betting large. I'd bet $75-85 on the turn, enough to leave a pretty big river barrel and make it look like I'm "obviously" trying to string him along. If he's capable of folding TPGK, that's the line that will convince him to do so.
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08-19-2015 , 03:10 PM
No I'm never 3 betting for value but idk that you have to be balanced against typical 1/2 regs. I agree w what you guys are saying. At the time I was pretty sure he was capable of raising this board as a bluff (it's hard to have anything here), but I didn't think that he would necessarily be capable of bluff shoving over my 3bet
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08-19-2015 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sierradave
Couple thoughts:

-Do you believe he's every doing this with less than top pair? If so, why?
-Do you believe he's likely to fold top pair to your reraise? If so, why?

This should usually be a bet/fold from you on the flop. You missed, you have no showdown value, and most 1/2 villains aren't check-raising as bluffs. No need to risk your whole stack with j-high and some backdoor draws.

If it isn't going to be a bet/fold, then I agree with others that it should be a flop call, then blast most turns. Problem with betting 100 here is, if he calls then you're going to have a $225 pot on the turn and $140 left in stacks. So he's either going to decide he was "check-raising to find out where he's at" and fold on the flop, or else he's going to commit all his chips with you on the turn.

That means that raising the flop will win you $75 every time he folds the flop and lose you $225 almost every time he calls the flop.

That's... not great.

If you call the $25 raise, your hand still looks a lot like AK/KQ. If he bets hard on the turn, you can decide you have no fold equity and muck the hand. If he bets tiny or checks, you can consider betting large. I'd bet $75-85 on the turn, enough to leave a pretty big river barrel and make it look like I'm "obviously" trying to string him along. If he's capable of folding TPGK, that's the line that will convince him to do so.
Yes I thought at the time that he was capable of raising this particular board w/o top pair. No I didn't think a good top pair would fold (although he folded ak lol) but as I said earlier I thought he was pretty wide pre(I know only 1 hand but 92s come on) so it thought top pair was a small part of his range. Also I've seen 1/2 players raise the flop w mid pair here, which could fold here
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