Villain is a man about in his 50s who has played pretty tight and I haven't seen him make any big bets so far this game. He's about $400 deep and UTG+1.

Hero is limping or raising a ton of hands because there is a maniac in the game with about $500 who is going all in and showing bluffs left and right. Hero is about $700 deep and in cutoff.

Hero is holding T7

Preflop: ($3) Villain calls $2, folds, Hero calls, BTN calls, SB calls, BB (maniac) checks.

Flop: ($10) T76
SB, BB, Villain check, Hero bets $15, BTN calls, SB, BB fold, Villain raises to $75, Hero folds, BTN folds.

Good fold against a tight player with deep stacks or should I float and see what he does on turn? Would raise/fold be better than calling?

Vs. tight old man it's a good fold he isn't raising worse

Have you ever seen him semi-bluff raise draws? In position I think I may flat and re-evaluate turn. He could have AT, 67 or some combo draw here, or even just a flush draw. If he flopped the nuts w 89, he may slow down if a heart falls and you can rep. I don't think I'm going away just yet.

I see a lot of these guys playing aa,Kk, this way. Limp pre c/r flop then overplay the rest of the way. I probably call since were deep and aa,Kk,QQ,ak-aj suited are all within his range. I don't HATE a fold here, but if you've been playing real loose then I see him slow playing any sets.

I don't think there's any way you can fold this. You are losing to 9 combos. (sets, 89s) and there are a lot of hands he can reasonably have that you beat.

Older guys love the "raise and see where I'm at" move. Especially when the game is playing aggressively. I think I 3bet the flop TBH. There are a lot of turns that let him fold a lot of the things we are beating. And most of the stuff he raises (overpairs) he isn't folding.

Bad fold.

Only 2 hands beat us right now, a set, and a straight.

It has been my experience that nits won't check the nuts here. They would be afraid it would check through and a flush would hit.

This feels like a combo draw, maybe Ah6h.

I would call and see a turn. If a heart comes and he fires, we can go ahead and lay it down, if a blank hits we need to b/f. If a T or7 hits we need to figure out how to get stacks in.

How long has this game been going?

you real?

you're trying to tell me that the old man nitsters that play 1/2 with their social security checks and talk about their medical problems are capable of semi-bluffing???

this is more likely to be like 67 or some other 2pr that they are BOMB-raising to "protect".

the only reason to fold is that we don't know for certain and going broke to a nit for 200BB+ in a limped pot kind of sucks even if we are folding absolute top of our range

We seem to have hit an intersection of logic. The old man could limp AA, KK preflop (the nuts or essentially the nuts preflop) but couldn't check the nuts on the flop (because he's tight)? If he can limp or check the nuts preflop, I would assume he could also do the same postflop in a multi-way scenario.

When hero bets $15 into a $10 pot, unless he's been making this move often, this is a huge overbet (%-wise) and a competent player would know that's a strong hand, and NOT check-raise with an overpair or anything worse than top two.

For those who think we should call and re-evaluate the turn I don't mind that play. But are we good enough to stick with that plan (calling to fold the turn)? I would hate to get to the turn, get value bet on blanks and feel like we have to call again, setting up a river scenario where we feel pot committed. If that's our plan we HAVE to stick to it.

For funs I PokerStoved the hand against the villain's range. I definitely would put more weight to the stronger hands but here are the results for our top two against JJ+, sets, 98s, 98o, 76s, 76o, 85, 54, and J9 - we are a 51.2% favorite against that range. I was surprised to see how even it was, but I wasn't giving villain much likelihood for JJ+ in my head.

Now, I consider him super unlikely to have 76o from UTG + 1. 98o is also unlikely but whatever. 85 is sketchy at best I would say. J9 I don't think he check-raises there. Against a new, smaller range throwing those hands out our equity actually improves to 56.0% (because we lost the 98o combos to the nuts).

How often is a TightOldMan check-raising us with the lower end of that range? Not often enough, IMO, but I can't say it's a slam dunk.

^ Old people at 1/2 games don't semi-bluff.

Consider that 100% accurate and don't include the 85hh, 45hh, J9hh in his ranges in stove. They just are not capable of it - to them draws are check/calling hands for reasonable price and donk-bombing when they hit.

Where do you guys play?

"old people don't semi bluff". Uhh yea they do.

What they don't do is let this hand get checked through unless they don't mind if a scare card hits.

If you're right and he did c/r a straight here then we have bluff outs to go with our f/ h outs.

I'm calling here to see what he does next.

Given V's description this is (66, 77, TT, 98s), so good fold as you can be crushed if board pairs. If I'm floating here, it's specifically repping combo draws and I'm leading for $125-150 OTT if a heart comes off -- but only if I know V will release a set.

This is unlikely, so fold>>>call>^inf>jam

The ****? A 1.5x pot sized bet followed up by a 1.5x pot sized raise?
(Note I'm not saying it's bad, esp. by you, just not too often you see that)

This guy is not semi-bluff raising a draw this big, I can't imagine. He has some sort of made hand that is scared of the drawy board.

This could probably be 77, 66, 76, 89 of not hearts (discounted, I doubt he is making it this big with the nuts), T7?

I believe this to be a good fold.

Thanks for input.

I bet 1.5X pot because in a small limped pot in 1/2, a $15 bet isn't viewed as an overbet by the table. I know anybody with a call-worthy hand will call $15 just as likely as they would $10 on this flop.

The reason I ultimately folded after considering was because we were deep, I didn't know enough about him but he seemed tight, and I figured his range was decent vs me. If he was betting an overpair I am pretty strong, but not invincible. If he was betting a flush or straight draw I am strong again, but not a huge favorite. If he had a set or straight I was wrecked.

Since I was uncertain of his capabilities and there was a much bigger fish I was waiting to eat, I decided to take the $17 hit on the hand and wait for another day.

FWIW he said "nice fold" lol.