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07-19-2014 , 01:02 AM
My hand was KQhearts and the flop gave me a flush draw with 2 overcards.
In this hand, there was some raising preflop(maybe a pot of $40)

This guy bets, two folds, I call on the flop.
Then on the turn, I miss my heart and he shoves the rest of his $74 stack into the pot of $120ish I think.. So it cost me $74 to win nearly $200. Thats almost 3-to-1 on a call.
I think that means I gotta call and win at least 25% of the time to make the call worth it. Right?
I gave myself just 9 OUTS for the flush cause I knew hitting a pair would be no good..
9 / 44 cards remaining = 20% to hit. Thats 1-in-every-5 times I’ll win.

Making this call would leave me with like $110 I believe..
Not calling would’ve left me with around $180...

I decided to go for it. I felt like it could happen and the rest of my session would go better and better from there.
So I call and the dealer turns over the 2 of hearts to go along with the table of other low heart cards.
I told him I hit my draw and showed the KQhearts. He was like, “DAMN ITT!” and threw his pocket Aces at the board. Lol.

Of course winning that stack was a big deal cause after I played for a few more hours and ended with a nice profit of $520 on the 5 hour sess.
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07-19-2014 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Vintage18
My hand was KQhearts and the flop gave me a flush draw with 2 overcards.
In this hand, there was some raising preflop(maybe a pot of $40)

This guy bets, two folds, I call on the flop.
Then on the turn, I miss my heart and he shoves the rest of his $74 stack into the pot of $120ish I think.. So it cost me $74 to win nearly $200. Thats almost 3-to-1 on a call.
I think that means I gotta call and win at least 25% of the time to make the call worth it. Right?
I gave myself just 9 OUTS for the flush cause I knew hitting a pair would be no good..
9 / 44 cards remaining = 20% to hit. Thats 1-in-every-5 times I’ll win.

Making this call would leave me with like $110 I believe..
Not calling would’ve left me with around $180...

I decided to go for it. I felt like it could happen and the rest of my session would go better and better from there.
So I call and the dealer turns over the 2 of hearts to go along with the table of other low heart cards.
I told him I hit my draw and showed the KQhearts. He was like, “DAMN ITT!” and threw his pocket Aces at the board. Lol.

Of course winning that stack was a big deal cause after I played for a few more hours and ended with a nice profit of $520 on the 5 hour sess.
20% win vs 80% loss if you made the bet 5 times you would be down $102

please correct me if my math is wrong.

nice pot through.
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07-19-2014 , 06:33 AM
Mathematically you made a bad call but it was all worth it seeing him throw his Aces away in disgust.
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07-19-2014 , 10:20 AM
Did I stumble into BBV?
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07-20-2014 , 05:12 AM
Can't believe these guys are in Vegas. Either we exaggerating there or the game.
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07-20-2014 , 09:10 AM
good river ship it
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07-20-2014 , 09:30 AM
You felt like gambling, it worked out. By the way, OTT, don't assume your over cards are always outs. But you didn't provide reads on villain and other important info so not much I can say
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07-22-2014 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by farrique
Can't believe these guys are in Vegas. Either we exaggerating there or the game.
Can't believe what guys are in vegas?
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07-22-2014 , 05:19 PM
Very well done, seems to me you are really happy with your play and would do it again in the same situation! Since you didn't want any advice when you started this thread, good for you!
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07-23-2014 , 10:41 AM
So he raises to $10 (presumably from early position) and you call with KQs (presumably from late position).... Ok.
On the flop, he bets out $40, and only you call. This is questionable because if the heart comes on the turn, you might not get paid (also considering he only has $74 left, getting paid is relative). If it doesn't come, then you are in a bad position on the turn because of his short stack and always sure shove. Most players will not bet a full pot bet on the flop and then check the turn with a 1/2 pot stack.
On the turn, you are 20% chance to win and you have to put in 28% of the pot to call. You make the bad call and win. If you continue to make that call in the future, you will lose money in the long run.

What I find more interesting is that you include that whether or not you call the hand changes what your stack size will be after the hand. This is irrelevant. Whether you have $110 or $180 after the hand has no effect on the hand while it is in play. If you feel that having $110 after losing the hand is a detriment, then top up after the hand.

Also, you said, "I decided to go for it. I felt like it could happen and the rest of my session would go better and better from there." This is actually opposite of what you should be thinking. You are making a bad call and will very likely (80%) lose the hand. This means you will have to chip up and may put you in a position where you feel like you have to "get even". It's actually the worst thing you can do for your overall game.
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07-30-2014 , 12:26 AM
good stuff grima thanks for the direct input on my not-so-direct thread.

looking back at this play now its obvious that i made a losing play. 80% of the time here i will lose and be pissed off that i only have $110 left in my stack. Which leads to my next mistake which was looking at my stack too emotionally. Hearing that it is irrelevant is some truth i needed to hear. when committing to being a poker player for the long run, i realize i cant be making calls where i lose 80% of the time and i cant be looking at my stack being so affected by how much it fluctuates.
This should help stabilize my play .
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