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1/2 Flopped top two with LAG Squeeze Artist on Button 1/2 Flopped top two with LAG Squeeze Artist on Button

05-13-2014 , 04:04 PM
So I guess I should preface this post by noting that I play with the same group of people in a local game multiple times per week.

In this particular hand, I have history with both Villains.

V1 (500)(cutoff) - From my history with this guy he is probably a losing TAG player who loses because of the occasional inexplicable blow up. Overall has a fairly solid understanding of the game, and plays TAG but is a capable hand reader. Only hand we played this evening I raised AJ from CO, he flatted button and called my C-bet on QT4 and bet turn when I shut down on brick...Showed QTs for top two.

V2 (covers)(Button) immense amount of history. Have gotten it in with hands as weak as middle pair good kicker and been good. I think a serious leak in his game is that he goes a bit overboard trying to take pots away from people. Will raise coordinated boards with air and will barrel picking up as much as a gutter. Also worth noting that V2 showed up very late and was plainly very drunk. Had turned 300 into 1200 in first fifteen minutes at table getting slapped in face with deck. (i.e. quads vs. 2 full houses and another large pot where he basically flopped nuts)

Hero (450) (high jack)Quite quiet for the evening. Both villains know hero is capable of making plays, but it is near the end of the session and I had not done anything really out of line at this point.

UTG+2 raises to 8, hero calls with KQ os. I had been mainly folding KQ/QJ all night to opens, but this one was smaller than avg. and 3 betting seemed like spew knowing I am likely to be called by V2 on Button with incredibly wide range and be forced to play bloated pot OOP with marginal holding.

Hero flats, cut off and button flat, blinds fold.

Flop (35) KhQ6h (we do not have Qh)

Raiser leads out for 12. So I never take this line, but but I decide to flat hoping for a squeeze from V2, which happens very often. I only did this because we play together so often that I thought it would be good to balance the range of hands that I flat here so that I don't get squeezed every time he has position on me when I flat in the future. I fully expect to get criticized for the flat here, but I hope it makes some sense given the frequency with which I play with V2.

V1 raises to 40, v2 flats. Original bettor folds. Hero?
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05-13-2014 , 04:24 PM
If the game is really agro and you are counting on a c/r, then the flat is okay. But this play is VERY dependent on the fact that this is a local game that you play regularly as opposed to a random table in a card room.

So since the play occurred exactly as you planned it, why do you seem hesitant to reraise the flop in this spot? You got the action you wanted, so now its time to overbet the hell out of this and make people incorrectly call with draws.

If I'm reading the ation correctly, pot is now $127 and action is on you. I'd pop this to $150 with the intention of calling/jamming the turn.
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05-13-2014 , 04:29 PM
Was really just curious on (1) sizing, and (2) seeing if anyone ever flats again hoping to check jam brick turns.

Also, my hesitancy, if you can even call it that, was based on the fact that the squeeze did not come from where I expected it to come from.

Obviously that is not what I ended up doing, but I was just curious if anyone thinks taking a weird line from time to time with people you always play with is profitable.

Last edited by fitzthetaxman; 05-13-2014 at 04:36 PM. Reason: follow up
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05-13-2014 , 04:38 PM
Range time!

Small raise deep i'd put worse 2 pair (k6s Q6s), same hands, straight draws, flush draws and 66 in both of their ranges. If these ranges are incorrect than that may affect how I would play.

As played i'd absolutely 3! here. Sizing is entirely dependent on your history with these people. I'm a big fan of an overbet here if you have a history of being capable of making overbet semi-bluffs. If your image allows for overbetting while getting called/jammed by 1 pair, then hit it to 220/jam all turns. If not, 150/call. If they flat, lessee who does what and what the turn is.
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05-13-2014 , 04:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fitzthetaxman
Was really just curious on (1) sizing, and (2) seeing if anyone ever flats again hoping to check jam brick turns.

Also, my hesitancy, if you can even call it that, was based on the fact that the squeeze did not come from where I expected it to come from.

Obviously that is not what I ended up doing, but I was just curious if anyone thinks taking a weird line from time to time with people you always play with is profitable.
I don't mind it so much. But I think a better line would be to raise fishy small to induce a 3! (like 26-28) . It will build the pot even more enabling you to get stacks in one street earlier. Plus it will help you rep big draws when you overbet 4!.
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05-13-2014 , 04:44 PM
Really the only time I would recommend flatting the reraise is if you have a lock hand and dead money is more than willing to come along. For instance, you have JJ on a J72r board and the action you describe above is occurring. This board is extremely coordinated with oesd's and flush draws, and flatting the reraise on the flop is asking for trouble.

After all, there are 15 cards that can come on the turn that shut you down cold (Any heart, A, or 9) with plenty of scare cards that can complete other hands in their cbet/flatting range (they could be calling with A10hh, 910hh, J9hh, AJhh, J10s/os, etc. Reraising in this spot is beyond ideal.
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05-13-2014 , 04:54 PM
I don't mind you line here as long as it is the rare diversification play. Obviously you should normally be raising the initial flop c-bet on a fairly wet board.

Not exactly happy about V1 raising here, but after taking a slow play line you would need a very specific read to think either villain has a better hand. After the small c-bet, he could be raising with draws, worse two pair, pair+draw, even something like AK. I think you have to assume your hand is good and raise. The pot is already $140, so pop it to $150 or so and be ready to call a shove.
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05-13-2014 , 06:04 PM
There was a c-bet, standard, a flat which could mean a lot of things, a raise which could be naked kings and some draws, and then another flat, which bothers me. Maybe it's just me? But I feel as if you may want to exert some caution in this spot. Top 2 looks like the nuts, but it's most definitely not.
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