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1/2 flopped straight vs aggression 1/2 flopped straight vs aggression

07-01-2017 , 09:09 AM
1/2 in a very active game. There are at least 3 people that typically straddle. When there are limpers you might not get any folds. (There was one 5 limpers the next raise was to 25 and everyone called, except hero, including the blinds.)

Hero CO- $300
Villain BTN- around $200 Had just bought in for $160 was playing LAGy style. Was also playing every blind + BTN with just about any two cards. Villain also typically takes stabs IP when checked to him

There are two limpers. Hero limps behind with JT. Really felt I had no fold equity so no interest in raising pre even with position. Villain raises to 15. Blinds fold limpers call and Hero calls.

Just under $60 in the pot and the flop is KQ9r. Checks to Hero who decides to check to the preflop raiser. Villain raises to $60. Folds back around to hero.

Not 100% sure if this should be a shove or if that would blow Villain off too many hands.

Hero?
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07-01-2017 , 11:28 AM
LAGy means more likely to bet the turn and then you can shove over. The stacks sizes are perfect for that. I think a flop jam loses your customer too often.
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07-02-2017 , 02:18 AM
Yeah with villain as described I think I want to call and let him bet again. It's a bit dicey because there are some annoying turn cards possible, but maybe he bets anyway.

I'd probably raise preflop anyway, limp is fine too. Worth noting that the point of raising after limpers in position is definitely not fold equity (although if they fold that's fine too). The point is to punish them for playing bad hands OOP. Even if there's no immediate equity advantage (which is probably the case with JTs), the point is that playing postflop in position with a hand with good playability is an advantage, and if there's more money in the pot, it will be more of an advantage in real money terms. It's sort of like being dealt a good hand and going "hey guys, want to raise the stakes, just for this one hand?".
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07-02-2017 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Yeah with villain as described I think I want to call and let him bet again. It's a bit dicey because there are some annoying turn cards possible, but maybe he bets anyway.

I'd probably raise preflop anyway, limp is fine too. Worth noting that the point of raising after limpers in position is definitely not fold equity (although if they fold that's fine too). The point is to punish them for playing bad hands OOP. Even if there's no immediate equity advantage (which is probably the case with JTs), the point is that playing postflop in position with a hand with good playability is an advantage, and if there's more money in the pot, it will be more of an advantage in real money terms. It's sort of like being dealt a good hand and going "hey guys, want to raise the stakes, just for this one hand?".
Great post, one other extra incentive to want to raise as CO is that we become the button when the button folds to our raise.
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07-02-2017 , 06:02 AM
Great spot to bet flop. Now just stick it in he's not folding for his remaining $125.
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07-02-2017 , 04:17 PM
Raise pre.

Bet the flop.

As played go all in.
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07-03-2017 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I'd probably raise preflop anyway, limp is fine too. Worth noting that the point of raising after limpers in position is definitely not fold equity (although if they fold that's fine too). The point is to punish them for playing bad hands OOP. Even if there's no immediate equity advantage (which is probably the case with JTs), the point is that playing postflop in position with a hand with good playability is an advantage, and if there's more money in the pot, it will be more of an advantage in real money terms. It's sort of like being dealt a good hand and going "hey guys, want to raise the stakes, just for this one hand?".
This makes a lot of sense. If I wasnt in the CO and was acting just before the HJ with an active BTN player would this be closer to a limp/fold?
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07-03-2017 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Great spot to bet flop. Now just stick it in he's not folding for his remaining $125.
This, hi-five the dealer and enjoy watching him tilt on flopping a set of kings or something silly.

If he was deeper, I agree with a call here but with only 125 behind and 60 in front, I wouldn't say he is pot committed, but he probably has a hard time finding a fold unless his first raise was a complete bluff.
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07-03-2017 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by haha_TP
LAGy means more likely to bet the turn and then you can shove over. The stacks sizes are perfect for that. I think a flop jam loses your customer too often.
+1
I just call. I want to keep the ATM machine open.😀
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07-03-2017 , 04:40 PM
Yeah, I would be worried about him seeing the blanked turn, and not calling if he is semi-bluffing. Some fish will chase a flush/straight over 2 cards, but not 1. ESS also means fold equity is low.
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07-03-2017 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DMag
This makes a lot of sense. If I wasnt in the CO and was acting just before the HJ with an active BTN player would this be closer to a limp/fold?
Yeah I mean you can do anything there really. Basically the more likely it is you're going to be OOP to a lot of players, the less you want the pot raised, and vice versa.
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07-03-2017 , 10:03 PM
Call flop and lead on the turn with a chunk that makes the river bet very affordable. I will go so far as to bet the turn even less that what villain's flop bet. Unless he's got no hand at all he will for sure call on both streets. So, if he's got no hand makes no difference what you bet because you'll not be getting called. On the other hand if he's got something he's going to call a bet on the turn smaller then his flop action and the remaining stacks it's gonna be to insignificant for him to fold the river.

Last edited by outdonked; 07-03-2017 at 10:12 PM.
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