Hey I would like you to check on my line and betsizing.

game is 1/2/5 (straddle).

Hero (£400) in HJ
Villain (£174) is BB

Villain seems like an aggressive player. Only bought in for £80 or so. Recreational, but not bad. Seems on the looser side. Went PF all-in with 88 once, and sth like 55 another time. post flop he showed good hands but lol sample size.. only been playing with him for an hour or so.

77 dealt to Hero in HJ.

Pre:

MP calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG (straddler) checks.

Flop (£25): KJ7

SB checks, BB bets 15, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero raises to 45, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn (£115): 6

BB checks, Hero checks.

River (£115). 3

BB bets £124 (AI), Hero?


Three questions:

1) Should I raise higher on the flop? I give him here slightly better than 1:3 odds for the call. Should I make it 60?

2) Turn. Check behind seems my standard line when the 3rd heart comes. Part of my reasoning is that I 1) want to keep his range wide and gain info on the river 2) induce a bet on river by showing weakness 3) free card for the full house. On the other hand I'm not protecting against QT or AJx for example. I might also miss value? (but given low SPR I'm not sure).

3) Call or Fold OTR? Very torn here. On one hand I induced and underrepresented my hand OTT. He may be value betting two pair here? On the other hand he could definitely have a flush here and I'm not sure how likely he is to bluff.

Raise a tad more on flop to set up pot size shove on turn. Jam turn

Played fine, but I might have bet turn. As played, call.

55 raise on the flop sets up a good turn shove.

AP, call....with straddle on, we effectively only 35bb deep to start the hand

I probably fold here, but can't blame a call though given villains info

Thank you all.

I like the 55 bet and setting up a shove on the turn.

However, when the heart comes what are your reasonings to bet/jam turn vs. checking behind and calling or betting the river?

I feel he's more likely to call a river than a turn bet with Kx, KJ etc. (not sure)
It also adds an opportunity for him to bluff the river.
I see that a turn bet would extract value from QT and Ahx etc. So I'm not really sure what the trade-off btwn a turn or river bet looks like.

Would like to hear why most of you are advocating a turn bet.

- get value now before board gets scarier for him (4th heart, board pairing, straightening card, overcard to his pair, etc..)

- get value now before his draw misses (if he is on a heart draw, he won't pay off on river if he misses)

- deny free equity


if money goes in now, sometimes you're behind, but very often you're ahead
if money goes in on the river, you're going to be behind a heck of a lot more often

What???

Never folding. Villain has a king or kings up a ton here.

You never say how the other villains play that called, or the ones behind you, but in general we can raise here pre and win dead money a ton of the time.

AP I raise more OTF - 60 or more sounds good...

If we bet 60 or more and get called we are pretty much putting it in on every turn card... and getting there

AP... I think we are beat a ton the way the action goes down. Do we have any sizing info on him? Like would he shove with his flushes here, or bet smaller thinking he has to try and get value from whatever you have?

I dont even see how you can contemplate folding here AP

Youre checking turn to keep his range wide and allow this kid to put his money in deviating from this plan on river is aids (unless the heart falls)

Betting turn (its a shove actually) is good cuz the hand is a disaster if fourth heart falls, and if board pairs on river villian can actually save his stack with a turned flush sometimes (even bigger disaster)

The time to check this turn is when youre deeper, so you dont have to puke fold to a turn raise, nh

His probe bet otf doesn't look like an flush draw as often as a pair with a or two pair. anyway your stack is too shallow for big laydowns with a set.

To call this profitably we need to be good 34% of the time. I don't actually think we are good that often in this spot but it's pretty close. The two obvious draws that missed are QT and T9. He could certainly have either of those hands. I don't see much else though. Turning a King into a bluff would be pretty crazy and rare especially when many players play a flush exactly how we did (raising flop and checking turn after hitting). I also wouldn't expect a decent player to play 2pair like this either considering the board and the action/positions.

£55 on flop, jam all turns. We have enough FE against 1 heart hand that will love a free card.

But if we think V is likely to bluff rivers (which I doubt due to turn action) we can check back. But I think the most +EV play is to size the flop to jam all turns with about a pot sized bet.

basically just reinforcing what's been previously said

Imho, hand is fine. Maybe could have raised more on flop but not much.

I think I'd fold OTR vs this described V. (Worse hands would likely check it to you OTR with their SD value.)

Why no squeeze pre in HJ to get it HU?

There is more value to be had playing 77 multiway than there is in heads up pots.

Agree with most of the other posters in this thread, you need to raise the flop bigger to set up a better SPR on the turn.
Not that I'm saying you need to necessarily get it in on that specific turn as it's pretty gross for your hand, but it'll help when a blank hits.

As played, I think checking back the turn is fine, jamming seems like it's only getting called by nutted hands.

On the river, as you say, your hand is underepped and it's given him a good opportunity to make a bluff. I'd be calling.

Anytime there's dozens of combos of hands that beat you, you can contemplate folding.

1. I'm not sure that the Villain's range is that wide after we raise the flop and he calls.
2. Whatever his range is I think the part of it he shoves is usually ahead of us.

i think he has a lot of flushes here. to your point though, you could add a few combos of kings that turned their hands into bluffs, given villain's aggro image.

in a vacuum i think its a fold but since we know villain's aggro image it may be a call.

i think its close, but i probably fold.

Raise to 75 on flop with so many draws out there. I'm also raising pre most of the time.

Doubtful on the flush. It's possible, but many many combos of other hands are still in his range that we beat. Also, I don't see many 1/2 villains play flushes that way. I'd expect either a bet on the turn, or a value-size bet on teh river (like $65).

And if you are folding sets with these stack sizes just because a flush card comes, you're gonna get blasted out of so many pots. You'll never make money.

Whatever your raise size, what's your play on heart turns?

And as it played out, the river shove?

I'm shoving all turn cards if they call that size raise since half his stack is already in the middle.

^ True

that's another way of saying "they bluff to rep the flush." It is true with most villains.

^yes...which is why we checked turn to widen his range/let him to try rep hearts, and we snap river bets, instantly

he has a flush sometimes, but when we bet and he calls, he has flush always, see the difference? #noContemplatingNeeded #widenRanges