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07-31-2011 , 10:30 PM

Bruno876

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 116

Dealt to hero: J

Seats and Stacks:
SB: Villian 1: $260
BB: Hero: $465
UTG+2: Villain 2: $160
UTG +3 Villain 3: $100
HJ: Villian 4: $196
Button: Villain 5: 145

UTG and UTG+1 fold
UTG+2 calls $2
UTG +3 calls
HJ calls
Button: Calls
SB: Calls
BB: Checks

Pot $12

Flop: Q

SB: Bets $12
BB (Hero) Raises to $24
UTG+2 Folds
UTG+3 Folds
HJ: Raises to $48
Button: Raises AI ($145)
SB: Calls

Pot: $338

Hero pukes and?

No Reads on any villian, third hand at this table.

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07-31-2011 , 10:57 PM

Geronimo543

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 401

just fold, why go broke in an unraised pot

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07-31-2011 , 11:02 PM

YouAreDone

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 14

Fold. With so many action and so many players it would be a gamble without nuts.

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07-31-2011 , 11:06 PM

JayKon

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,444

3rd nut 2 bets, gets 3bet, shoved AND called.

Puke until I think about it, then fist pump.

I would expect the minraise to have a bare Ah (making our flush 2nd nut), the button shove to have a smaller flush and the SB to have something like a set (or 2 pair). Even if I'm wrong, the pot is too big, shove.

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08-01-2011 , 12:09 AM

skillz_2106

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,604

Ew. I'd fold. No need to go broke in a limped pot on your first orbit. You will be good some of the time but save yourself the stress and look for some better spots once you've got a better read on your table.

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08-01-2011 , 12:29 AM

vaz1981

adept

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,190

Fold....??? What the hell were we trying to do with Jh6h? Flop top pair?? Minraise is tiltingly pathetic though. Raise to $38, ship it to any other action.

Odds of flopping a flush = 118:1
Odds of two people flopping a flush, 7 handed = ~600:1

Ship it and quit worrying about a cooler. Thats like saying you want to fold KK on board of AK7r because you are POSITIVE villain has exactly AA. Terrible advice ITT about folding here.

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08-01-2011 , 12:42 AM

Marty25

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 177

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Originally Posted by vaz1981

Agree for the most part. I think AhQx KhQx is also shoving here. I think most of the time you are ahead here.

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08-01-2011 , 01:58 AM

Noobie Newbertson

adept

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 819

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Originally Posted by vaz1981

Fold....??? What the hell were we trying to do with Jh6h? Flop top pair?? Minraise is tiltingly pathetic though. Raise to $38, ship it to any other action.

Odds of flopping a flush = 118:1
Odds of two people flopping a flush, 7 handed = ~600:1

Ship it and quit worrying about a cooler. Thats like saying you want to fold KK on board of AK7r because you are POSITIVE villain has exactly AA. Terrible advice ITT about folding here.

Hero is in the BB in a limped pot.

I agree with shipping it here.

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08-01-2011 , 03:02 AM

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

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Originally Posted by skillz_2106

Ew. I'd fold. No need to go broke in a limped pot on your first orbit. You will be good some of the time but save yourself the stress and look for some better spots once you've got a better read on your table.

So, if you had the nut flush you wouldn't put it all-in either because of the risk of someone sucking out and you going broke in a limped pot?

No, I realize you aren't saying that and it's not even close to the same decision. But I'm calling here or shoving over the calls. Problem is if a fourth heart comes and you are not all-in, it's going to suck to fold after putting in a third of your stack.

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08-01-2011 , 03:35 AM

#10

Sommerset

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,863

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Originally Posted by skillz_2106

insufferable nits ITT.

Randoms can be pushing a few different hands we have beat, including worse flushes...

fold advocates, is it really your intention to leave 160 BB+ out there with the 3rd nuts because a couple randoms shoved in it? Seriously?

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08-01-2011 , 03:51 AM

#11

acescracked84

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,620

What is this, limit? Learn to raise. Make it $48 on the flop. Makes decisions way easier. As played, there's a 3bet and 4bet AI and then an overcall. I'd just fold. I wouldn't try to hand read against three players interested in a limped pot. Folding is not nitty, you guys are just bad.

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08-01-2011 , 03:56 AM

#12

Sommerset

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,863

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Originally Posted by acescracked84

You honestly think passing up spots like these against randoms for almost 200 BB is +EV?

seat open, table whichever

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08-01-2011 , 11:35 AM

#13

abgtr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 5,855

raise more on flop and not have to puke imo.

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08-01-2011 , 05:17 PM

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ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

4h 5h, 8h 9h, 9h Th are all in villains ranges here. and those hands are generally going to raise this flop because they don't want to see another heart come on the turn or river.

Kh xh and Ah xh are also in the range, too, obviously. I think I gladly get it in on this hand and if I lose, I reload.

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