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12-27-2011 , 09:07 AM
Villain = loose passive young guy (from what i can make in two orbits, limp/called a lot) $200 stack
Hero = opened 3/5 pots recently covers

3 limps (including Villain)
Hero raises to $14 with AQo
1 fold
2 calls

Flop ($47) A56ss

1 check
Villain Check
Hero bets $30
1 fold
Villain raises to $70 (has ~120 back)

Hero??

I think his raise size heavily weights his range towards made hands and not draws. I have seen him check/call with a set in a similar spot a few hands ago.

Does he show up with AT-AJ, draws and rando bluffs often enough here to get it in/call get it in on turn?
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12-27-2011 , 09:47 AM
I am lucky enough to play in games where a ck/rs is almost always for business. The draws tend to donk bet, the TPBKs tend to call and very few ck/RSs come from folks trying to figure out if TP is good.

Last edited by InTheDark; 12-27-2011 at 09:52 AM.
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12-27-2011 , 12:45 PM
This is table dependant. If villain is all over the place (c/raising AJ, spades, SD/FD etc) then I think we can stack off. But against anyone who is loose passive/tight passive, I give the benefit of the doubt and believe we are in bad shape in this spot.
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12-27-2011 , 02:06 PM
If he really is LP I just fold. CR is usually super strong. Young guy makes me want to shove more, but without any reads that he's either competent or aggro folding is fine. I think this is unlikely to be a draw unless it's like 78ss or Asxs, but even then a lot of LP's just call.

I would also probably raise more pre with 3 limps, but that's table dependent also.

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Does he show up with AT-AJ, draws and rando bluffs often enough here to get it in/call get it in on turn?
Again that really depends on villain. If your read is correct that he's LP, the answer is no, he doesn't.

Playing for stacks, you are calling around 155 to win 260 which is 1.6-1 which means you need around 38% equity. I stoved AJo/s,A5o/s,A6o/s,56,55,66 and you have 34% equity. Even with that I think AJ is kind of unlikely.
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12-27-2011 , 02:22 PM
Lay it down. were basically playing for 190 when is raises here and I think he has tptk beat by his raise sizing. just Chuck it.
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12-27-2011 , 03:40 PM
Well, you are the preflop raiser and have the lead. On the flop you continuation bet and that shows that you still might be in the lead. It shows you can beat the Ace. That's the message. Now, the other dude trying to take the lead from you and in doing so he is putting all your stack in jeopardy. The question is not if he's bluffing but if you want to play for stacks with one pair hand? It depends how deep the stacks are. With a short stack you move all-in but if the stacks are deep you've got to fold and take the risk on folding the best hand sometime in order not to get involved in big pots without a big hand. As long as the pot is still small, the mistake of folding the best hand is small and will have a very small impact on your overall game. But make sure the pot is small when you suspect you may be folding the best hand.
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12-27-2011 , 05:28 PM
Thanks for the replies
Funny how when u read through the OP again and see how you wrote LP and c/r how this should usually be a fold.
I got stubborn and put it in
He showed A5 and I turned a 6 FTW
EZ game
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12-27-2011 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by aceonetime
Thanks for the replies
Funny how when u read through the OP again and see how you wrote LP and c/r how this should usually be a fold.
I got stubborn and put it in
He showed A5 and I turned a 6 FTW
EZ game
At 1/2 guys don't really bluff, and when in doubt they play passive. A lot of fish could l/c, and then limp/CALL AK here. I see it all the time.

It may seem weak/tight, but I almost always fold to raises with 1 pair hands unless it's like an SPR of 2 or 3 spot or unless I have reads they're spewy or aggro. And yet I still win because I could literally tell them I'll fold to a raise if i don't have 2P+ and they still won't raise light.
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