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12-20-2014 , 04:22 AM
1/2 $300 max buy-in

Hero: late 20's white male. Been at the table for an hour and a half. Had my share of cards but haven't connected to any big hands. TAG image, on the tighter side. Stack: $215

Villain 1: 60's white male. Moved to the table an hour ago with a +$700 stack and has been gettin hit in the deck. Suprisingly LAG, calling a lot pf and floating some flops. I have 3 hands with him in such a short time, listed blow. Stack: +$1,000

HH: 2 limps to Hero BTN with AJo raises to 12, Villain calls in BB, one limper calls. Flop 554r all check, Turn 5544r V bets out 20, only hero calls. River 55443 V checks, hero bets 40 and V insta calls with A7o to chop.

very next hand:

1 limper, MP TAG Villain (TV) raises to 10, Hero BTN calls, Villain calls in BB, limper calls. Flop 358 checks to TV who bets 25, hero folds V calls limper folds. Turn 3585 V checks TV bets 30 V calls, River 35858 V bets 60 TV tank calls and splits his AQo with V's A4o.

UTG straddles for $5, first at the table, one caller and hero raises to 20 on BTN, Villain 3bets to 60, folds back to hero. Villain offers to shoot it, hero just folds, villain shows JJ.

Villain 2: 20's asian male. Hasn't played too many hands beyond a flop, but has been calling some pf raises. Won a pot that he turned a flush with 63s that he called a raise in MP, so a bit loose. Aggressive as well. Stack: $190

On to the hand!

UTG+2 limps, MP Villain 2 raises to 10. HJ Hero calls with 55, Villain 1 calls in SB, limper folds.

Flop: 454
Pot: $32

Villain 1 limps, Villain 2 bets 20, Hero...?

So, obviously, flat or raise, and if so how much?
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12-20-2014 , 04:35 AM
Looks like a straight forward flat to me. V1 pfr of 10 looks like a pot sweetener. If he goes on to cr(I'd put him on about A4) and if V2 continues I'd probably tank shove.

I'll guess that because this hand is posted V1 cr'ed and you just called and an A came somewhere.

edit: damn, but you're still ahead then. Never mind.

Last edited by zica; 12-20-2014 at 04:44 AM.
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12-20-2014 , 11:48 AM
Flat. You would like V1 to come along for at least one street here and even if V1 folds, V2 is short enough you can get stacks in by river. There are no cards that might slow you down, so you don't need to charge draws.

If V1 folds and V2 checks on the turn, go $40 on turn and shove river. If V1 comes along on flop and it's checked to you, go $50 and shove river. If V1 check/raises flop and V2 comes along then shove now, if V2 folds then flat and bet turn if V1 checks again.
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12-27-2014 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NebDanger
1/2 $300 max buy-in

Hero: late 20's white male. Been at the table for an hour and a half. Had my share of cards but haven't connected to any big hands. TAG image, on the tighter side. Stack: $215

Villain 1: 60's white male. Moved to the table an hour ago with a +$700 stack and has been gettin hit in the deck. Suprisingly LAG, calling a lot pf and floating some flops. I have 3 hands with him in such a short time, listed blow. Stack: +$1,000

HH: 2 limps to Hero BTN with AJo raises to 12, Villain calls in BB, one limper calls. Flop 554r all check, Turn 5544r V bets out 20, only hero calls. River 55443 V checks, hero bets 40 and V insta calls with A7o to chop.

very next hand:

1 limper, MP TAG Villain (TV) raises to 10, Hero BTN calls, Villain calls in BB, limper calls. Flop 358 checks to TV who bets 25, hero folds V calls limper folds. Turn 3585 V checks TV bets 30 V calls, River 35858 V bets 60 TV tank calls and splits his AQo with V's A4o.

UTG straddles for $5, first at the table, one caller and hero raises to 20 on BTN, Villain 3bets to 60, folds back to hero. Villain offers to shoot it, hero just folds, villain shows JJ.

Villain 2: 20's asian male. Hasn't played too many hands beyond a flop, but has been calling some pf raises. Won a pot that he turned a flush with 63s that he called a raise in MP, so a bit loose. Aggressive as well. Stack: $190

On to the hand!

UTG+2 limps, MP Villain 2 raises to 10. HJ Hero calls with 55, Villain 1 calls in SB, limper folds.

Flop: 454
Pot: $32

Villain 1 limps, Villain 2 bets 20, Hero...?

So, obviously, flat or raise, and if so how much?
Flop: 454
Pot: $32

Villain 1 limps, Villain 2 bets 20, Hero calls, V1 calls.

Turn: 4549
Pot: $90

V1 checks, V2 checks, Hero bets 60, V1 calls, V2 folds.

River: 45499
Pot: $210

V1 snap all ins, Hero...?

Snap call, reluctant call, or sigh call?
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12-27-2014 , 08:44 PM
The nines don't change our outlook IMO.

If V1 actually does have a nine after the prior action and hit runner runner for nines full, GG them. **** happens.

Our hand is good most of the time, surely enough of the time to snap call.
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12-27-2014 , 09:07 PM
Flat, and then snap call. In the lower stakes, Villians are so so level 1 that they'll have a hard time putting us on tripps or better. I think villain has 88+ and probably will show up with AA or KK, and sometimes he'll be bluffing with AK.
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12-28-2014 , 02:14 AM
Depending on villain somewhere between sigh call and snap call depending on how bad he is and how light he will shove. Your stack is only a bit over half the pot, so not folding. Any villain nitty and passive enough to consider folding too would not have raised preflop and bet flop with any 9X hands. Given villain description he could have c-bet air on the flop and caught two running 9s to beat you but he could have lots of over pairs that you beat also.
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12-28-2014 , 02:43 AM
You lost me at V limping the flop...

[SPOILER]Call flop, raise turn, shove river[/SPOILER]
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12-28-2014 , 03:55 AM
Call river.

Also, looks like you say max is 300 but u only have 215?.. What is this..
We're trying to make +300 vs this old guy fish not +215
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12-28-2014 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
You lost me at V limping the flop...

[SPOILER]Call flop, raise turn, shove river[/SPOILER]

You lost me at raising the turn when nobody else bet and shoving the river when our only opponent has already shoved.
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12-28-2014 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by khangura175
Call river.



Also, looks like you say max is 300 but u only have 215?.. What is this..

We're trying to make +300 vs this old guy fish not +215

Perhaps it is more profitable for him to buyin for $200. Perhaps he is on his last buyin. Regardless don't see the relevance if we are not being results oriented.
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12-28-2014 , 02:38 PM
obvious snapcallpuke on the river. He can certainly show up with a 9 here. He can also show up with a 4 and with a pure bluff (67 in particular). This V doesn't have you on a boat. He's either betting huge because he expects you to call with an overpair or he's betting huge because he expects you to fold an overpair.

I absolutely like the flop call, btw. This type of V loves to control the action. If you raise him, he'll bluff-reraise rarely, but usually will fold to the aggression. Calling will seem weak to him -- he'll read it as "this guy doesn't believe that I have a 4 yet. But if I fire another barrel, he'll have to fold." That's actually a very profitable approach if no one knows how to effectively counter it. Calling here is part of an effective counter-strategy.
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12-28-2014 , 04:32 PM
snappy snap call.

dude is repping a 4. Can't see how he would have a 9 here.......unless he has some kind of weird 59.

but snap nonetheless
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01-05-2015 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
You lost me at raising the turn when nobody else bet and shoving the river when our only opponent has already shoved.
Sigh.

The spoiler was the line I would take (before seeing results posted). Lets put our thinking caps on shall we?:

Truc says call flop, raise turn, shove river.

OP says Hero calls flop, bets turn (it checked to him), and V shoved (doing our job for us).

I see no difference, DUCY?
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01-07-2015 , 11:37 PM
Thanks for the replies

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero calls. Villain flips over A9 to scoop.
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01-08-2015 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NebDanger
Thanks for the replies

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero calls. Villain flips over A9 to scoop.
Ouch. Well played regardless.
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