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1/2 Flop 3rd nut flush facing river jam 1/2 Flop 3rd nut flush facing river jam

03-16-2015 , 10:19 AM
V is young 20s, hoodie wearing TAG. Reg with strong table image, just took down a couple big pots and is currently sitting on $750

Hero is also a young 20s, could be viewed as a nit after folded the NFD+gutter facing a flop 3bet, has played maybe 5-10 hands in the past hour since been seated with V. Effective stack $320.

3 limps to Hero in MP with QJ, Hero limps. V opens to 12 in CO (standard table open) 2 callers, blinds fold and Hero closes out the action.

Flop T65. ($45)
Checks to Hero who checks, V checks behind which is unusual considering he has been cbetting 80%.

Turn 3 ($45).
Once again checks to Hero who checks again, V leads for 20, folds back to Hero who min-raises to 40. V thinks for a second then re-raises to 90. Hero calls.

River Q($225). Hero leads for 45, V jams. Hero???
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03-16-2015 , 11:14 AM
I'd raise pre. QJ 4- or 5-way isn't a good spot.

I'd bet otf. V checks because he's MW, he isn't c-betting MW with near-100% frequency.

Those are the most important streets, playing them better will avoid the turn and river spots. I don't think V is foregoing betting the flop with the nut flush, he'd hope someone has a piece, there are 3 others in the hand. It looks more to me like he's pissed off about you're turn min-raise, I know I'd be, and is following through with a shove.
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03-16-2015 , 11:24 AM
I would raise pre. In that spot with 4-5 limpers and suited connectors I would usually raise for value there.

I am def betting flop. No reason to check this because if V has hand he's usually coming along. He could be set mining with 55 or 1010 given his std $12 raise.

Tough spot on the river. Call and pray.
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03-16-2015 , 11:28 AM
if you said V was a MAWG, i'd think this is the nuts pretty much always. a young TAG V, i could see this being a naked A a lot of times.

i'm not sure why there is a question here, you min raised the turn, presumably because you felt you were ahead, and then you called and bet the river, again, presumably because you felt you were ahead. this aggression isnt much more than the turn aggression

plus 45 into 225 is pretty much saying baby flush or 2 pair or something, so of course if he has the A he's gonna try to push you off that hand.


also:

Quote:
Originally Posted by RealestOne
Hero is also a young 20s, could be viewed as a nit after folded the NFD+gutter facing a flop 3bet
bolded... why does anyone know that?!?! don't open fold, don't tell people what you fold.
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03-16-2015 , 11:36 AM
Thanks for some insight, would like to hear more and also added a spoiler

Spoiler:
I was actually the V in this hand, Hero being a good friend of mine who was at the table with me. He ended up calling my jam, and I had K3
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03-16-2015 , 02:02 PM
Holy guacamole!

I thought the flop check was bad...

Then I saw the check/minraise on the turn LOL

so so so bad. I honestly can't think of a worse line to take, other than folding.
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03-16-2015 , 02:04 PM
The fact that two people checked a flush on this flop hurts my brain. It also gives me hope for the future of poker.
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03-16-2015 , 02:33 PM
Note: Why did you show the table your NFD+GS hand?

PF: Fold or Raise.

F: (4) handed. Pot is $57. (how is the pot $45 if you had three limpers in EP that all folded to the V raise, and three callers (includes Hero) who called the V raise). SPR is 6. How does it check to Hero if Hero is first to act? Something is wrong with the description of who is in the hand. Anyway...to the turn.

T: (4) handed. Pot is $57. Why are we playing this hand so passively? We limp call the flop, flop a flush, and then check two streets; this doesn't make sense. So we check and V fires 1/2P. What's your thinking on the min raise? We aren't giving him direct odds to draw but min raising doesn't really accomplish much. As played, we are raised and then we call. When we call we've put in 32% of the effective stack. Did you plan on folding the river to another diamond? I don't think a TAG min raises you after you min raise him.

R: I assume we are Heads Up. Pot is $237. Why are we leading for 18%P? What are your thoughts here? After you donk $45, you've put in almost half your stack; did you know this? You can't donk the river, put half your stack in, and then fold. The river is blank so if we called the turn bet, why is there any question of calling the river? As played, we should call, although I don't think that this "TAG" is jamming here without the nuts. Overall, pretty poorly played hand, but hopefully we can learn from it.
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03-16-2015 , 03:23 PM
Really poor play by both of yoh.

Check twice with flush and then c/minraise? What's the point of the river bet?

And checking this flop after raising with K3s?

Quite bad
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