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1/2 facing turn shove with a set on a dry board 1/2 facing turn shove with a set on a dry board

02-05-2020 , 01:52 PM
Villian (MAWG) has $650, I have $450. I have only been at the table with this player for an hour or two. Decent player that plays aggressive but can also show up with some garbage (I saw him show down Q3 suited)

OTTH

Villian: UTG+1 raises to $20 (pretty damn sizable open for this 1/2 game)
Hero: 99s cutoff (should I be 3! this to such a big open?)
Hero calls

Flop ($43): Kd 9s 2h

Villian leads for $30, I call

Turn ($103): As

Villian leads for $65, I raise to $160 (leaving me with 240 behind)
Villian snap shoves, covering me

Hero: ??

I know he could do this with AK, but he could also easily have AAs or KKs. Should I be laying this down? Thanks for any feedback.
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02-05-2020 , 02:13 PM
I would not be 3 betting pre. I think either shoving or calling the turn is fine (I lean a little more towards the former) - I don't like the near min raise. Trivial call at this point...There are more combos of AK vs AA/KK, but he could also have a hand like KsXs, or a spazz A. Sorry you got cooler'd.
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02-05-2020 , 02:16 PM
You're 55% vs a range of only KK+ and AK, and you only need 27% to call. You should never fold here. Sorry you got set over set.
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02-05-2020 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by trob888
You're 55% vs a range of only KK+ and AK, and you only need 27% to call. You should never fold here. Sorry you got set over set.
Spoiler: I made the call and he showed KK. River was a 9
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02-05-2020 , 02:19 PM
Pure call pf.

Don't even think about folding post flop.
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02-05-2020 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cdevine
Spoiler: I made the call and he showed KK. River was a 9
This belongs on BBV
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02-05-2020 , 02:50 PM
When you flop a set and your first thought is anything other than how do you get all your money in the middle, then you're playing too high and/or you have some work to do on your understanding of the game.
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02-05-2020 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
When you flop a set and your first thought is anything other than how do you get all your money in the middle, then you're playing too high and/or you have some work to do on your understanding of the game.
I've only been playing live for about 4 months, hence why I am asking for advice. I know players at this level don't really bluff, so once V snap shoved turn I was concerned. Looking back at it I know its a snap call. I originally sized to 160 on the turn so I could shove 240 on the river.
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02-05-2020 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cdevine
I've only been playing live for about 4 months, hence why I am asking for advice. I know players at this level don't really bluff, so once V snap shoved turn I was concerned. Looking back at it I know its a snap call. I originally sized to 160 on the turn so I could shove 240 on the river.
Sorry didn't mean for that to come off in a mean way.

But yeah generally don't look for excuses to try and fold sets post flop.

But to think about it another way, look at what value hands villain could take lines with.

In your case AK is the leading candidate. And there are way more combos of those than AA or KK.

Also look at your pot odds. Like in this spot if you are folding 99 then you have literally 0 hands you continue with in this spot.
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02-05-2020 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cdevine
I've only been playing live for about 4 months, hence why I am asking for advice. I know players at this level don't really bluff, so once V snap shoved turn I was concerned. Looking back at it I know its a snap call. I originally sized to 160 on the turn so I could shove 240 on the river.
Set over set is rare enough, but don't get used to rivering quads when it happens
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02-05-2020 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Sorry didn't mean for that to come off in a mean way.

But yeah generally don't look for excuses to try and fold sets post flop.

But to think about it another way, look at what value hands villain could take lines with.

In your case AK is the leading candidate. And there are way more combos of those than AA or KK.

Also look at your pot odds. Like in this spot if you are folding 99 then you have literally 0 hands you continue with in this spot.
No worries, thanks for the advice!
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02-05-2020 , 04:12 PM
This would have been a sick cooler. A couple players with much more knowledge/experience have told me this, "if the card you're looking for comes and you still aren't comfortable your thought process might be off." I'm sure you had good reasons for not 3-betting, but also think of it like this, with 99 you called the bet to flop a set, if you dont flop a set your done with the hand. It sucks but rarely we are going to have a "cooler" (set over set, higher straight, higher flush). I think the only time I look to fold a set is when a one card flush or one card straight happens OTT or river, even then that card will have to be in villains range.

GL&Cheers
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02-05-2020 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by trob888
You're 55% vs a range of only KK+ and AK, and you only need 27% to call. You should never fold here. Sorry you got set over set.
+1
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