1-2
200 bbs deep

Villain: table coach. He talks every han about what a good laydown or call or bet it was even if he is not involved. Thinks he is durrrr. Has shown bluffs after big bets and coaches why his bluff was perfect.

Has won a couple of good pots.

Hero: viewed as typical tag.


Unknown raises 10$ from CO hero calls with 88 in BTN 3 more callers including villain who limp calls.

6c4c6s checked to hero who bets 35$ into aprox 60$. Villain calls

Turn 2s he says "he has a big pocket pair, bet 3/4" i go for 55$ into 130$. Planning on not commiting myself and possibly check back river.

River 9x he insta says 200$ hero ????

A lot of ways to play this. Would be nice to know V's position, but for me, alarm bells go off when this type of V check/calls the flop. I likely decide then and there not to put any more money into this pot.

River is an obvious fold. This guy is unlikely to have c/c the flop with a draw. 3's, 5's, 7's are the only PP´s we beat at this point. He knows he has the best hand here. I guess 44 or 99.

Logically we should assume he has something when he called the flop. Whether it be two clubs (missed) over pair (behind) 6 (behind) 4 (ahead) 35 (got there) 57 (missed). Would he call two streets with the draw on a paired board?? would he fold 35 pre?? How often does he have the 6??

Perhaps though it's time to work out what you think he puts you on. Because the way its played it is possible he puts you on exactly what you have a pocket pair. Now how does he expect you to react. Does he think you can't let it go (going for value with 99,A6 etc) or does he think you can't call and has been playing you from the start.

I think the way you played it he can quite conceivably think a big bet could push you off and so he'd bet smaller for value and bigger for a bluff.

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Just call and don't worry too much about the results. Probably the only hand that would surprise me is a bare 6, given the turn action. Other than that: busted broadways, busted draws, 53, A4; I'm surprised by none of it, and he has the junky stuff 30%+ of the time for sure.

BTW, I'd advise against betting the turn the amount that you did against described villain. You're just opening the door to be raised by a balanced range. It's like you're simultaneously telling his nutted range, "If you don't raise now, we're not getting stacks in" while telling his bluff range, "I'm so weak and scared, please bluff me."

If you don't think he's going to call a large bet with worse, then just check back and snap him off on almost any river.

This is either the nuts or nothing. You could say, I'm getting 2:1 so he only has to be bluffing about half the time to justify calling. That's sort of true. If his bluff frequency is 46%, you should always call. If it's 45%, you should always fold. I don't know about you, but I can't range people that accurately. And even if I could, I can't read the guy's mind; he does have the option to check his equity and so what precise mix he bets is a complete unknown.

Which is kind of irrelevant, I think it's more likely the 9 helped him, than that he thought that would be a fine scare card to bluff.

He probably spiked a set of 9's and figured he might as well bet large. Most of his bets will result in a fold, unless you happen to have a 6, and there are some 6's in your range. Backup plan is, you might think he's bluffing and call with a bluff-catcher. Bout the only way to get any value. Not a bad plan actually.

If you got bluffed, cool. Tell him to keep it up.

My inclination is fold. We haven't repped ultra strong which I'm sure he's picked up on, but this isn't a great Bluff catch spot imo.

It would be super helpful to know what position he limped and whether he has atc here. I'm just looking to narrow down how much 6x, 53, 44 and 22 he has here relative to missed flush draws. If he mucks a lot of that stuff pre rather than limping than we might be able to make a better case for keeping him honest, Idk, he sounds like the type of person that has those tho, despite his 'expert' play.

Weird line for him w non boats imo.

Gross spot. What position is villain? It makes a big difference for my read here. If he is to your immediate right I would fold. Otherwise, I would call.

Also, up to this point have you seen villain show down with a big hand? If so, how did he bet it? If he bet for value rather than big, that would be a valuable piece of information.

I agree with Surviva that your turn bet is kind of sub-par. Especially against a thinker, your bet sizing is going to affect his read. If you check turn with the intention of calling river bet, the villain's river bet is going to be $100 instead of $200. If you're going to bet the turn, I like a bigger bet (say $80-90$).

But once you bet and he calls, lets think about the the river. He can make a bluff, you've seen him do it. His range is pretty wide here. If he is to your immediate right, I'd expect to see the top of his range, 5-6, 6-7, A-6 or 4-4. The reason is when you bet the flop and it folds to him, he knows it's just the two of you so he can slow down.

If the pot has multi-way possibility when he calls the flop, a draw is much more likely. He could have clubs or a straight draw (5-7) that missed. Furthermore, once it's just the two of you on the turn, and you make your turn bet, he might be calling to bluff a brick or bet his made draw. As an aside the only 3-5 hand I would think is possible is 3-5 of clubs.

I don't think fold or call is bad here. As I said, if he is to your immediate right, I fold. If not, I call expecting to win about 2/3 of the time.

Didn't catch that villain l/c'ed. I want to fold a lot more now as his range is weighted much more toward trips and boats than toward busted broadways and big flush draws.

Any information on how he plays preflop? Does he usually enter with a raise (in which case a limp is mostly SCs/Axs/small PPs)? Does he limp a ton and raise a normal amount (in which case his range is a whole bunch of junk)? Does he pretty much always enter with a limp (in which case his range could include some KQ/AJ type hands)?

Still don't think I'm gonna come out of this liking a call.

Regardless, I hate your line of Bet Turn Like a Bitch / Hate Life When an Ego-Driven LAG Plays Back at It.

Thnx for the feedback. He limped call from utg.

I think my turn bet is definte mistake. My thought was a turn blocking bet to check back river but i think he saw this clearly.

I ended up folding without giving it much thought which also was a mistake and he showed a random 58 bluff.

His table coaching doubled afterwards sigh...

This is $1/$2. A table coach is not a deep thinking player. You are levelling yourself IMO.

Edit: Just read results. Lol. Props.

You should never ever fold SDV with the chance to close the action on the hand needing only 31% equity to call against this type of player (or, honestly, anyone who is capable of bluffing) "without giving it much thought." Least of all when the biggest value hand (6x) makes little sense and villain is just acting weird in general the whole hand (table talking before you act, snap donking a huge amount, etc).

If you folded because you thought through his preflop l/c'ing range, and decided there was less stuff that was good enough to x/c twice and turn into a bluff on the river than there is 64 type stuff, then fair enough, you could convince me of that.

Just auto-folding requires a really poor understanding of pot odds and exploitation.

ETA: And by SDV, I mean like A-high+. I wouldn't think TOO hard about calling with AK in this hand because I think there's a good chance his bluffs include 33/54, but I'm still thinking hard enough that I actually get to that consideration.