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05-16-2011 , 06:01 PM
Ok so i've been at table a while; villain is new and to be honest he was so nitty i didn't even realize he was at the table; i was also a bit intoxicated so that maybe played a part. Anyways, i have 560ish. villain limps utg...i raise to 10 in UTG+2 with QQ..3 calls...villain insta raises to 100 with 260 behind

action is to me, lol ?

Only reads are that he is so nitty i didn't even raealize he was at table and this is probably the first hand he's played.
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05-16-2011 , 06:11 PM
i'm just starting out in live 200nl, but the UTG limp/3bet is almost always AA/KK.
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05-16-2011 , 06:15 PM
a nitty player limp/3b's an ep raise with three callers in front of him? I think this is mostly aces.
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05-16-2011 , 07:15 PM
In general my opinion is people see "monsters under the bed" way to often in SSNL and making generalizations like it is always AA or whatever - really tilt me. Especially considering most live sample sizes are insignificant. So a lot of these broad reads are very often incorrect and sometimes a fault of selective memory. Just as often as this will be a big hand, it will be your opponent doing something stupid.

A limp/raise from a perceived nitty player, which could be interpreted as a limp/squeeze in this situation probably is more often a strong hand then not. Despite my above rant.

However, it is important what were the game conditions like? The dynamics of the table could change your opponent limp/raising range significantly.
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05-16-2011 , 07:29 PM
This is almost always QQ+, AK. And btw, like no one limp/reraises light in low stakes Luce games.
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05-16-2011 , 07:40 PM
Meh, we can let it go.

We only invested 10 and there will be better spots.

This looks like QQ+/AK.
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05-16-2011 , 07:40 PM
AA
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05-16-2011 , 07:52 PM
well, this is how I play my AA & KK from early position at live 1/2 and I have a VPIP of about 35% live.

Villain's range this is QQ - AA and potentially AKs so the right play here is to fold as you're dominated by half his range and flipping with the rest.
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05-16-2011 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bo Goldman
In general my opinion is people see "monsters under the bed" way to often in SSNL and making generalizations like it is always AA or whatever - really tilt me.
I agree with you generally (and if you read my posts i usually dont take the "he has a monster" line)...

But this really is AA almost all the time.
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05-17-2011 , 09:59 AM
thanks for the responses.

This wreaked of QQ+, AK+ to me...so since i had 10 invested iand this table was super soft i figured there was a better spot than to be flipping at best for this many bbs.

I folded. One of the guys who flatted my raise shoved, UTG calls...UTG has AKs and flatter had JJ, lol live poker.
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05-17-2011 , 10:48 AM
this is a really easy fold pre against a nit, in general, but shove on him next time now that you've seen AK.

(btw one wreaks havoc while reeking of urine)
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05-17-2011 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jknoema83
this is a really easy fold pre against a nit, in general, but shove on him next time now that you've seen AK.

(btw one wreaks havoc while reeking of urine)
So because villain showed the absolute bottom of his range (which you flip with) this time, we should shove the next time because he'll have AK again.

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05-17-2011 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkSlayer
So because villain showed the absolute bottom of his range (which you flip with) this time, we should shove the next time because he'll have AK again.

Actually I missed that we were deep. For 100bbs a shove is anywhere from very slightly losing to profitable depending on how bad the fish are behind us. (You lose ~$19 assuming the nit always calls with [AK, AA, KK] and never has anything else, and that the fish always fold, but changing either of these assumptions increases the value of the shove dramatically).

For 200bbs shoving is just bad (our 60/40 equity deficit against UTG's range becomes prohibitive), and I retract my comment - it was just false.
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05-17-2011 , 11:36 AM
btw harrah's new orleans this past weekend might have been the softest 1/2 i've ever seen
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